LU 177 "selective" Seniority.

[East coast navy]

Local 480; we have classification seniority and in over 20 years I've never heard anyone complain about it.

Well enjoy.. Hopefully for you no one in your local does because in 177 there are members making noise.

 

[govols019]

If it's been that way in your Local for as long as you say, why are you just now raising a stink about it?

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

Local 480; we have classification seniority and in over 20 years I've never heard anyone complain about it.

Whites Creek feeder drivers did. But it was really because of the package drivers in Massman and Franklin being able to use their fast track into package to jump over Whites Creek guys that had more company seniority but less full-time classification seniority. They'd get into feeders before them.

 

[govols019]

Which is why I'm glad we don't have a local wide seniority list.

Being denied an opportunity to move up because of someone from a different building would suck. As it is now, I only have to worry about the people in my center.

 

[East coast navy]

If it's been that way in your Local for as long as you say, why are you just now raising a stink about it?

CCSC of local 177


Brothers and Sisters : Leave the seniority structure of our contract the way it is.


We are... You are little late in this thread...

 

[542thruNthru]

I see you 246 people that have signed. How big of a percentage is that out of everyone that will vote?

Just curious. 246 wouldn't even be half of what we'd need to change our seniority here.

 

[govols019]

CCSC of local 177


Brothers and Sisters : Leave the seniority structure of our contract the way it is.


We are... You are little late in this thread...

This thread was started in April...you said it's been the way it has for years...so, again, why are you suddenly so determined to see things changed?

 

[Inthegame]

This thread was started in April...you said it's been the way it has for years...so, again, why are you suddenly so determined to see things changed?

Because he/she would personally benefit with the change.

 

[Bubblehead]

This thread was started in April...you said it's been the way it has for years...so, again, why are you suddenly so determined to see things changed?

Because he/she would personally benefit with the change.

Wasn't the system changed a few years back, and now they are attempting to change it back???

 

[govols019]

Wasn't the system changed a few years back, and now they are attempting to change it back???

The company never asked for anything when they changed it back in the day. The company never asked for anything in 93.

Does that mean that the change was done 23 years ago?

 

[Bubblehead]

Does that mean that the change was done 23 years ago?

I haven't paid a whole lot of attention, but did offer up how it is dealt with in my Local.
As @Inthegame has alluded, it's a polarizing issue, where the players tend to line up where their bread is buttered.
In the end, with the company hiring 6-1 from inside, while sponsoring us in our licensing, I don't see how separating the classifications seniority-wise is fair.
Again, here in my Local, we keep our seniority as we pass between all full time classifications; packages, feeder, or 22.3.
I don't see where that is unfair?

 

[Inthegame]

I haven't paid a whole lot of attention, but did offer up how it is dealt with in my Local.
As @Inthegame has alluded, it's a polarizing issue, where the players tend to line up where their bread is buttered.
In the end, with the company hiring 6-1 from inside, while sponsoring us in our licensing, I don't see how separating the classifications seniority-wise is fair.
Again, here in my Local, we keep our seniority as we pass between all full time classifications; packages, feeder, or 22.3.
I don't see where that is unfair?

Either system is "fair" if it's left alone. Changing systems is positive for some and detrimental to others. It's moving the goal posts in the middle of the game.

 

[Bubblehead]

Either system is "fair" if it's left alone. Changing systems is positive for some and detrimental to others. It's moving the goal posts in the middle of the game.

It's UPS, the goal posts are always moving, as the game is always changing.

At risk of derailing the thread and acquiescing that this issue is a poor example, I will suggest that this "precedence mindset" ingrained in our infrastructure may be an inherent flaw in our Union/Company game plan.
Far too often, legitimate issues are dismissed on the notion that "this issue was already argued and decided in 1993".

Because we got it wrong in '93, should we be saddled to that decision...forever?

 

[Inthegame]

At risk of derailing the thread and acquiescing that this issue is a poor example

Most threads get derailed, and I agree, this is a poor example of your point.

 

[East coast navy]

If it's been that way in your Local for as long as you say, why are you just now raising a stink about it?

It's been talked about for years. But no one had come up with the idea of carry your seniority when you transfer instead of using bidding out side of classification language. Now it's come up and it looks like a big hit.

 

[East coast navy]

Which is why I'm glad we don't have a local wide seniority list.

Being denied an opportunity to move up because of someone from a different building would suck. As it is now, I only have to worry about the people in my center.

Sounds selfish to me.

 

[East coast navy]

Because he/she would personally benefit with the change.

Isn't that what seniority means? The most senior benefits?

 

[East coast navy]

Does that mean that the change was done 23 years ago?

You know a lot for someone that's not in 177...

 

[East coast navy]

Either system is "fair" if it's left alone. Changing systems is positive for some and detrimental to others. It's moving the goal posts in the middle of the game.

Then why was it changed in the first place. It used to be where you did carry company seniority where ever you went in local 177. Then it was changed.

So you are right. It should have never happened. The ones to blam are the past BAs. They broke the system and it needs to be fix!

 

[East coast navy]

Most threads get derailed, and I agree, this is a poor example of your point.

I think he is right. It was a quick fix. Now it's time to finish the job!