Guitarman01
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I think they are going to shut off estar even on Saturdays for our peak. If estar was trying to be like Orion to save gas, it's doing the opposite and everyone knows it including the higher ups.
Major Furlough at Express?
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burrheadd
KING Of GIFS
If you’re providing health care why would their paycheck be smaller than a contractor who doesent pay benefits
When talking healthcare benefits you're painting with a very broad brush. It involves a wide variation of coverages. networks, deductibles. annual out of pockets prescription coverage and first an foremost who pays the premiums. So when IWBF says he offers " healthcare" he isn't telling you much of anything.
He pays by the stop . It's share trucking just like share cropping. What he doesn't tell you is how many stops per hour a person has to do to get what he claims to be offering in terms of a wage when the stops per hour and the pay per stop is converted to an hourly wage.
What he's telling you is so lacking in specific economic terms that what he says cannot be taken as fact.
And as he claims that Express drivers were "too soft" . I believe that it's not a question of being "too soft" but rather being too smart. At least smart enough to recognize a bad deal when they see it.
It will be fine
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I pay half the premiums, they pay half the premium. 401k the driver has to contribute to get the match. Some contractors don’t pay holidays or have any paid time off. So the baseline pay will be a bit higher than mine even if total compensation is lower. Some dumb dumbs will take the more money at the end of the week instead of the benefits.
It will be fine
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Blah blah blah. Such a worthless contribution based on your imagination.
Wrong. You resent the fact that I called you out on your claim that your compensation package is superior . Your claim is conditional upon the driver successfully meeting numerous, high level productivity requirements that are difficult if not impossible to reach that other carriers in the space do not require in order for the driver to earn a compensation package that in the end is still superior to yours no matter what you try to tell us.
It will be fine
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No, that is not the case. You are making up a bunch of stuff because you’re mad and full of hate for people that have succeeded in a space where you failed. Get bent.
lmao laying off 140,000 people? Definitely 0 truth to it these guys ain't tryna pay no severance to anybody, you clearly don't know how cheap this company is when it comes to paying the couriers. They just gonna cut hours to bare minimum and watch OT like a hawk for a few months. Same old BS as usual in the 20 years I've been here. Almost impossible to get fired here.
You're angry over the fact that I stand in the way of the bull feces that you're trying to feed the others on this thread and elsewhere. The entire contractor settlement package is still based on a labor rate well below what the other two major carriers are offering. They don't have to pay half of their own insurance premiums for what is likely a lower level of coverage Their pension/disability plan is not a defined contribution plan that nobody knows how much it will be worth compared to a defined benefit plan There' simply no comparison between the two from a standpoint of total value.
Sure you might be able to close the gap a little bit through the use of borderline inhumane production quotas but even if they can be achieved you'll still never be able to match the other carriers dollar for dollar.
You know it and we know it so quit trying to make yourself look like Mr. Employer Of The Year. It's an impossible situation that you could have got yourself out of 3 years ago under much better terms.
yadig
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You would have an argument if the job wasn’t so labor demanding. It’s just a matter of damn time chief!
MAKAVELI
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Pay might be decent at Freight but it's definitely not industry leading. And for benefits they get the same crappy benefits as Express.
It will be fine
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The guy has been rambling about how there is no one willing to do the job for the last 15 years. It’s never been true, it doesn’t matter how many times he’s been wrong. He just keeps rambling.
And you keep trying (unsuccessfully) to make us believe that your total compensation package matches dollar for dollar, stop for stop hour for hour what the other two major carriers pay.
You cannot match it.....You will never match it.....Because the entire dirty deal surrounds getting people to kill themselves out there on a daily basis for decidedly lower pay and cheaper benefits that covers far less. And that's the entire reason why you exist as a multi route contractor in the first place.
lol come on you know there's plenty of work for everyone
how so? we make 32/hr here after 5 years. UPS does make a bit more but after adding up union dues it works out to be the same amount.
$32 an hour after 5 years? Unless you’re an RTD or a station with a *temporary* pay hike, I don’t see how you can get to that number with the 10 step progression. Also $42 (local supplement) an hour x 47.5 hours a week (9.5 hour day contract language) at UPS comes to a gross of $2137 a week, union dues are roughly $100 a month. Company paid medical and defined pension as well. If you’re making $32 an hour, that’s damn good money, but it’s not a comparison to what UPS is paying.
We’re on the same side. Just checking your math.
We’re on the same side. Just checking your math.
Hmmm Canada seems to be a lot different than USA I guess. Over here it’s 32/hr after 5. Swings at 35/hr after 5. Ups does make more at 35/hr for non-swing (I talk to the guy on my route everyday). Year end bonuses as well, very good benefits and a 6% company match. Nobody ever goes from Express to UPS here because it’s basically the same money and benefits. Called the industry standard. Y’all got it rough over there in USA sheesh. Nobody would do this
here for less than 30 bucks.
DriveInDriѵeOut
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UPS pays $42/hour.
So with 40 hour work weeks, that's $20,800/year more than $32/hour.
Union dues are 2.5x your hourly wage per month. So at $42/hr that's $1260/year.
$19,540 difference, without overtime.
Not to mention health dental vision and pension with zero employee contribution.
MAKAVELI
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Pretty informed for someone who lives and works in their Mama's basement.
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How long does it even take to become a full time driver there? I mean 42 is great money but they don’t hire drivers off the street that often. Most times you gotta start as a handler and do that for a couple years. UPS pays good but tbh we got a few guys touching 100k at our station but they never go home
