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[Anonymous 10]

I reach for the DIAD whenever I need to.
I take a drink when I'm thirsty.
I answer my phone, with the aid of my bluetooth, all while driving.

Let me ask you a question Dave, do you think it's just a coincidence that there is no telematics sensor that gigs us for looking at the DIAD while driving?
I'll save you the trouble of posting your dung, they don't want us to pull over.
They want us to do whatever we can to get done as quickly as possible, while creating the illusion that they told us there was another way.
That's why guys like you come in early and work off the clock, skip their lunch and breaks or take them outside the prescribed window and help management falsify records and results.
In my center, they post the telematics reports daily.
Ironically, I never have to represent the biggest repeat offenders.
Why?
Because they are the hedge hopping burners.
The methods are for holding the rest of us accountable, not them(you).

Dave, because you are union brother, I hope you make it to the finish line without ever learning these lessons, because I fear you might not make it if you were ever held accountable.

Actually if you get into an accident there is a special key that they insert somewhere and it takes all the telematics information right then. In this info it can tell if your board was out of the slot and how many times you picked up your board. This is a fact.

 

[Jones]

Your probably right on that. But atleast I get the job done, with a minimal amount of problems. Get the work done in a reasonable amount of time,, take care of the "soft items" and I dont ask for help..............take care of business and go home. What else do they want? Besides cheaper labor??

More production probably? They always want that even from the drivers who are killing it every day.

 

[wkmac]

This is a good example of Double Standards.

Of course, it all evens out.
Treating a low productivity employee the same as a top performer
would be an example of Double Standards as well.

"The system isn't broken, it was built this way!"

Was this way 33 years ago when I came and will be the same when I leave. Just sayin'

 

[Anonymous 10]

"The system isn't broken, it was built this way!"

Was this way 33 years ago when I came and will be the same when I leave. Just sayin'

I flourish this way.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

More production probably? They always want that even from the drivers who are killing it every day.

Yes, they always want more. But I do get a good laugh when the new guys , say go pound sand...I quit. They overload them, trying to take advantage of cheap labor! Then scratch their head, whe they walk out the door. Yes we get paid good money, just dont treat us like prostitutes!

 

[Catatonic]

Company = Your management team. They are "the company" to you.

Still the same dilemma.
Your management hardly represents "the company".
Every management team is different.
Every employee that reports to "your" management interprets that team's actions and decisions differently.
Not trying to be difficult but one thing I have come to realize is that at the crux of every perception and evaluation is the relationship amongst individuals and therefore UPS, them. UPS, etc. has no real meaning.

You were going there so I think we essentially agree.

 

[Catatonic]

I have my moments.........not serious all the time.....................but when I am...I am!

I'm never sure.
I tend to have the same issue in that I kid around as well and I am generally very sarcastic and even more skeptical.

 

[Catatonic]

I flourish this way.

I was in my time within UPS about 6 or 7 years before I figured this out and it has been fairly easy since then.
Attending SBTS* was a seminal moment for me.

*Supervisors Basic Training School

 

[Jones]

Yes, they always want more. But I do get a good laugh when the new guys , say go pound sand...I quit. They overload them, trying to take advantage of cheap labor! Then scratch their head, whe they walk out the door. Yes we get paid good money, just dont treat us like prostitutes!

Yup seen that happen too. Had a young sup who had the brilliant idea to make our biggest ball buster route into a training route because "if they can handle that, they can handle anything". Mind you we had veteran cover drivers who would call in sick rather than run it. So predictably we had new hires who quit 2-3 weeks into it, so now ya gotta start the whole 30 day process over again with someone new and in the mean time we're still short drivers (that's why we're training new ones right?). Eventually he figured out that it wasn't such a good idea after all and went back to training them on a route that was actually doable.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I'm never sure.
I tend to have the same issue in that I kid around as well and I am generally very sarcastic and even more skeptical.

I can only be serious for so long, after that I feel like I am at work!

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Yup seen that happen too. Had a young sup who had the brilliant idea to make our biggest ball buster route into a training route because "if they can handle that, they can handle anything". Mind you we had veteran cover drivers who would call in sick rather than run it. So predictably we had new hires who quit 2-3 weeks into it, so now ya gotta start the whole 30 day process over again with someone new and in the mean time we're still short drivers (that's why we're training new ones right?). Eventually he figured out that it wasn't such a good idea after all and went back to training them on a route that was actually doable.

If you hit them in the head, with a brick enough times! Hopefully they get the message!

 

[Jones]

Still the same dilemma.
Your management hardly represents "the company".
Every management team is different.
Every employee that reports to "your" management interprets that team's actions and decisions differently.
Not trying to be difficult but one thing I have come to realize is that at the crux of every perception and evaluation is the relationship amongst individuals and therefore UPS, them. UPS, etc. has no real meaning.

You were going there so I think we essentially agree.

Oh for gods sakes where's my "dancing hoax" .gif?
My point was that if you're wondering why management treats "good employees" badly and "bad employees" good, the answer is that your management team probably has a different definition of good/bad employee than you do.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Oh for gods sakes where's my "dancing hoax" .gif?
My point was that if you're wondering why management treats "good employees" badly and "bad employees" good, the answer is that your management team probably has a different definition of good/bad employee than you do.

They punish the "good employee" By giving him work,from the "bad employee"! And vice versus! What kind of incentive, is that??

 

[Jones]

They punish the "good employee" By giving him work,from the "bad employee"! And vice versus! What kind of incentive, is that??

I'm gonna go out on limb here and suggest that maybe they have a different definition of "punishment" as well....

 

[Catatonic]

Oh for gods sakes where's my "dancing hoax" .gif?
My point was that if you're wondering why management treats "good employees" badly and "bad employees" good, the answer is that your management team probably has a different definition of good/bad employee than you do.

OK ... we can agree to talk about different things.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I'm gonna go out on limb here and suggest that maybe they have a different definition of "punishment" as well....

They never address the problem, they just try to make their numbers!

 

[ncupser82]

So at our building we had our DM come and gripe about all the drivers that weren't making 9.5 (apparently it is now a huge problem 'rolls eyes'), so warning letters and such were given out to drivers who were over-allowed that day to intimidate everyone and show that he's serious.

My favorite part was right after he was done ranting he said, and I quote "and yes I also encourage you to take lunch".. What an obvious way to cover yourself hahah..

Anyway to get to the point, I actually supported his argument because the blame was not only placed on drivers.. The dispatch (where the blame partly should belong) got the brunt of it too. Oh man, that entire week was perfect. Dispatches were awesome, never seen anything like it. Punch-outs were no later than 7 for that entire week. All drivers were working, because all routes were in. There was no 'using seniority to get the day off', or shuttle drivers as they put it.

We all worked, and we all had fair dispatches.

Fast forward to the subsequent week, 9.5's everywhere.. People going out with loads that they can't even fit into their car so instead some full time drivers work as shuttle drivers to shuttle the packages to them (which frankly makes absolutely no earthly sense to me whatsoever, because if they're working anyway why not split the garbage dump truck routes into two and run a smoother day for all parties - customers included)..

And yes these shuttle drivers still work until about 5.. getting misloads and such and goofing off. That was a problem too and had been addressed by a previous center manager who is now transferred.

My problem with all of this, is the consequences. Because of all that was stated, once I'm done which is usually around 6:30pm.. It never fails that I get that green light of bad vibes, that makes my stomach turn upside down because I'm literally one stop from going home which gets my mind set on my wife's cooking and what not (newly wed here).

So now I have to go help someone.. but wait, I also now have to make sure I make 9.5? To hell with that.

So now I make my cutoff to help at 6, which lets be honest.. When was the last time you were done that early. If it is after 6pm and I get a green lighter I now refuse to help people. My question is that if they decide to discipline you for refusing to follow instructions will saying "well I had to make 9.5 hold up"?

Are we allowed to even refuse to help another driver regardless of circumstances..? Not that I mind helping, but just not every single day sometimes it wears a guy down.

Always work as instructed, and then file later. If you get a warning letter for following instructions, the union will have it thrown out. But never refuse because they can/will fire you!

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[coupey]

excuse the dumb question but what is this 9.5 list some of yall are speaking of? is every center supposed to have a list of drivers that do or do not want over 9.5 hours?

 

[FilingBluesFL]

excuse the dumb question but what is this 9.5 list some of yall are speaking of? is every center supposed to have a list of drivers that do or do not want over 9.5 hours?

Yes. That's exactly what it is, a list of people that do not want to work more than 9.5 hours in a day. If you go over that 3 days in a week, you file on it, get paid more for every minute over 9.5 hours you're out.

If you want to be put on the list in your center, just call 867-5309, and put in a request to be put on the list.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Yes. That's exactly what it is, a list of people that do not want to work more than 9.5 hours in a day. If you go over that 3 days in a week, you file on it, get paid more for every minute over 9.5 hours you're out.

If you want to be put on the list in your center, just call 867-5309, and put in a request to be put on the list.

You forgot the area code....(407)