KearsargeCoop
Baseball, dart board
There's more people in that room than I expected to see.
Negotiations
- Thread starter Pullman Brown
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This isn't going to be easy
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
24 hours or what?
clean hairy
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Strike vote authorization?
Trucker Clock
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Temper tantrum.
Trucker Clock
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Nope. He doesn’t want to do that yet. It will only help UPS and hurt us because the turnout will be pitiful.
Yolo
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Buffalo Bus Workers Approve New Contract
(BUFFALO) – Bus drivers, mechanics, and fuelers represented by Teamsters Local 449 have voted overwhelmingly to ratify a new contract. The 62 bus workers areteamster.org
Taking kids to school to be indoctrinated by porn and liberal ideology!
I don't know
DELACROIX
In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
Too early for that, the last one was taken in June. On these supplements and riders, I am glad that O'Brien and his team are sticking to their word to settle them before the Master. The Company's game plan when Hoffa was in office was to delay, delay and then stonewall in order to segregate regions and conferences causing division. If this "cost neutral" was accepted on our supplemental and riders the Company would have free rein to continue to offer inferior benefits for our members who are not covered under the Master (supposedly). Case in Point the continuing Pension and Health and Welfare inequality, are we going to accept again a Contract that has one area paying twice or three times the pension benefits as others.
Back in 2018 (The Ohio Rider) for example was never put up for vote. Reason given that there were no improvements to be voted on, the Union Leadership at that time probably knew that it would never pass and cut and ran, we all know that the entire 2018 Contract was a sell out when Hoffa predestined passage, which was their original game plan before the 2018 talks ever started. Hoffa and his team knew that they were goners after the results 2015 General Election, what is scary is that it was reported that Hoffa even (after retiring) still was under the illusion that he could get back into office if HE ran again.
Once the supplemental and riders are agreed to...The Master can be settled in a day if needed, most of the Master Language deals with pay rates and benefit contributions, really hasn't changed much since 2008.
DELACROIX
In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
Couldn’t read how many were on the Company’s side. Just see the back if their heads, still wearing those ill fitted suits as usual. Looks like the same demographics so we all know who is really in charge.
Same mindset.. expect no major changes from the Company’s side.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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The only way you are ever going to see a uniform pension throughout the company is if the company were to pay their withdrawal liability to pull their employees from each of the MEPP's (Multiple Employer Pension Plans), such as NYST and CSPF.
Many folks believe that 1997 was about part time jobs----it wasn't----UPS wanted the pension which, in hindsight, may have been a good thing given the recent $86B bailout of Teamster MEPP's. UPS retirees in NYST and WCPT enjoy the highest average pensions while those in CSPF receive a much lower average pension. To bring those more in line with one another simply to have uniformity would be unfair.
You will not see a strike authorization vote at any point throughout this process as the Company and Union will shake hands toward the end of June with a ratification vote to be held in mid July.
DELACROIX
In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
“Unfair” to who?
If the IBT/UPS and the Company controlled UPS Pension Plan ever got up to the levels you enjoy how is that going to hurt you?
They can not reduce by law those under the WCTP or your pension to pay for the members under any other inferior pension trusts. The WCTP by itself is a guarantee to reach a 400 dollar a service year at the end of this coming contract. Just look at their current status and projected funding…50 billion…98 % vesting with the negotiated monetary contributions over the next 5 years their participants are set for life.
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UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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The average UPS pension is $3,500.
The average NYST UPS pension is $5,500 with some retirees closer to $7-8K/month.
In '97 when they were talking about taking control of the pension the numbers being tossed about were closer to the $3,500.
UPS is roughly 76% of the NYST fund. Prior to the bailout, withdrawal and payment of their liability would basically destroy the pension fund.
DELACROIX
In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
Still no answer to how improvements in another pension plan will affect you guys?
By the way the IBT/UPS pension plan has been running over 100 % over the last two years. UPS did not need to contribute one dime to cover their pension obligations at the end of the year. Study their management’s plan and see that they have plenty of money to raise our pension levels.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Improvements made in other plans while not impacting the superior plans (NYST and WCPT)? Absolutely.
Raising them up and lowering us to meet somewhere in the middle? Nope.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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If UPS were to take over the pensions they would slowly phase them out in favor of 401k's, which is what today's workers want.
BigUnionGuy
Got the T-Shirt
DELACROIX
In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
DELACROIX
In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
Why don’t you ask the lower level management how they feel about losing their pensions.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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"Solidarity" doesn't pay my bills.Thanks…”brother”…(solidarity)…..!
