Monkey butt I assure you I do just fine making good money outside of UPS. LoL. If you are a old timer with UPS, that means you were once an hourly employee. So when you go into management do they baptize you in a special water that makes you think because you went into management you're smarter? I was begged to go into management my 1st year of driving, and I said Absolutely not. Not because I wasn't smart enough to do the job, I was smart enough not too. I have morals, and believe one day we will all be judged by the same standards we treated others by. I can't treat others like crap, and justify it by" it was my job." LoL I've seen the dirty things management has done to try good people all in the name of numbers. I would choose driving over management again if I had to start over.