That's stupid business.The cities expect to lose money on the stadiums but make it back with the extra money brought into the local economy to make up for it.
Do they end up losing money overall? Probably so.
That's stupid business.The cities expect to lose money on the stadiums but make it back with the extra money brought into the local economy to make up for it.
Do they end up losing money overall? Probably so.
When the public sees the wealthy team owners making mind boggling fortunes from their teams using public facilities while water, roads and sewer systems continue to fall apart they will no doubt call into question the city's spending priorities .That's stupid business.
You're right of course. But sports teams provide intangibles that are worth keeping. I knew a die-hard Cardinals fan in Memphis. He traveled regularly to St.Louis to watch them. Might not overcome the stadium cost, but cities like St.Louis identify strongly with their teams. KC loves the Royals and are fanatical about the Chiefs. Sorry that not everyone is a big sports fan or they resent the money they make, but for fans it's not just about the sports but also pride in their city. And that spreads throughout the region. And making it to the championship of any league is a huge bonding moment for any city and it's region. Might be scoffed at by non-believers, but there's more to life than just punching the clock and paying the bills. So let's take away all the stadiums and arenas, get rid of the games on tv, never speak of it again. How dreary would life be? Maybe we could all celebrate the summer solstice! Go marching on May Day! Get all giddy for the next eclipse! Think of the conversations at bars that would produce!If you want to call economists, people who don't like sports, then sure.
The problem I have is that the entertainers WE are paying are offending OUR sensibilities, and then crying that it's tough because First Amendment. The exercising of your rights doesn't mean you are protected from the Majority's backlash. I actually hope the NFL is economically deprived in the future for not protecting the paying publics rights.You're right of course. But sports teams provide intangibles that are worth keeping. I knew a die-hard Cardinals fan in Memphis. He traveled regularly to St.Louis to watch them. Might not overcome the stadium cost, but cities like St.Louis identify strongly with their teams. KC loves the Royals and are fanatical about the Chiefs. Sorry that not everyone is a big sports fan or they resent the money they make, but for fans it's not just about the sports but also pride in their city. And that spreads throughout the region. And making it to the championship of any league is a huge bonding moment for any city and it's region. Might be scoffed at by non-believers, but there's more to life than just punching the clock and paying the bills. So let's take away all the stadiums and arenas, get rid of the games on tv, never speak of it again. How dreary would life be? Maybe we could all celebrate the summer solstice! Go marching on May Day! Get all giddy for the next eclipse! Think of the conversations at bars that would produce!
I agree and think most fans do. Not the appropriate venue. When you see what the NFL wouldn't allow, but are allowing this, makes you wonder.The problem I have is that the entertainers WE are paying are offending OUR sensibilities, and then crying that it's tough because First Amendment. The exercising of your rights doesn't mean you are protected from the Majority's backlash. I actually hope the NFL is economically deprived in the future for not protecting the paying publics rights.
That was beautiful. Still doesn't change the fact that publically funded stadiums don't come anywhere close to the ROI promised.You're right of course. But sports teams provide intangibles that are worth keeping. I knew a die-hard Cardinals fan in Memphis. He traveled regularly to St.Louis to watch them. Might not overcome the stadium cost, but cities like St.Louis identify strongly with their teams. KC loves the Royals and are fanatical about the Chiefs. Sorry that not everyone is a big sports fan or they resent the money they make, but for fans it's not just about the sports but also pride in their city. And that spreads throughout the region. And making it to the championship of any league is a huge bonding moment for any city and it's region. Might be scoffed at by non-believers, but there's more to life than just punching the clock and paying the bills. So let's take away all the stadiums and arenas, get rid of the games on tv, never speak of it again. How dreary would life be? Maybe we could all celebrate the summer solstice! Go marching on May Day! Get all giddy for the next eclipse! Think of the conversations at bars that would produce!
Which I acknowledged. I can think of huge government spending programs which haven't cured society's ills but have spent much more than what has been spent on stadiums. Should we eliminate them too?That was beautiful. Still doesn't change the fact that publically funded stadiums don't come anywhere close to the ROI promised.
Whatever the case may be what is for certain is that with many states running out of money and enormous cuts in federal funding support for many federally mandated programs looming on the horizon if they were to be called upon to hoark up a multi million dollar contribution toward the construction of a professional sports facility they would stand there and laugh at you.Which I acknowledged. I can think of huge government spending programs which haven't cured society's ills but have spent much more than what has been spent on stadiums. Should we eliminate them too?
Maybe those States running out of money should vote in a responsible government that balances the books. But tell me, how many of those states building those new stadiums are blue States?Whatever the case may be what is for certain is that with many states running out of money and enormous cuts in federal funding support for many federally mandated programs looming on the horizon if they were to be called upon to hoark up a multi million dollar contribution toward the construction of a professional sports facility they would stand there and laugh at you.
Are you saying professional football is one of society's ills? If so, you might have a valid argument.Which I acknowledged. I can think of huge government spending programs which haven't cured society's ills but have spent much more than what has been spent on stadiums. Should we eliminate them too?
Idealistic on your part. I estimate one in a hundred politicians actually does what they promise.Maybe those States running out of money should vote in a responsible government that balances the books.
And yet most red States are doing reasonably well.Idealistic on your part. I estimate one in a hundred politicians actually does what they promise.
In my state after cutting programs you know the kind you might be in dire need of in future, merging departments cancelling critically needed infrastructure projects and the grant funding required by them legislators from both parties now agree that there is simply no place else to cut without going back to what previous GOP administrations have done in the past and that was to cut spending at the state level then pass the tax burden down to counties and municipal governments. Real smart, and people caught on that real quick. So pal creating a balanced state budget is just not a simple as you think.Maybe those States running out of money should vote in a responsible government that balances the books. But tell me, how many of those states building those new stadiums are blue States?
No, I'm saying they're quick to attack spending on sports, but we've thrown trillions away without solving poverty, education problems, the racial divide. If anything sports unites people across all socio-economic strata.Are you saying professional football is one of society's ills? If so, you might have a valid argument.
Especially when you throw money at every social engineered program that ultimately fails.In my state after cutting programs you know the kind you might be in dire need of in future, merging departments cancelling critically needed infrastructure projects and the grant funding required by them legislators from both parties now agree that there is simply no place else to cut without going back to what previous GOP administrations have done in the past and that was to cut spending at the state level then pass the tax burden down to counties and municipal governments. Real smart, and people caught on that real quick. So pal creating a balanced state budget is just not a simple as you think.
Do I think people need to start demanding their tax dollars be spent responsibly? Absolutely.Which I acknowledged. I can think of huge government spending programs which haven't cured society's ills but have spent much more than what has been spent on stadiums. Should we eliminate them too?
Great, but let's not single out our favorite pet peeve when the spending across the board is irresponsible.Do I think people need to start demanding their tax dollars be spent responsibly? Absolutely.
Public attitudes toward wealthy sports franchise owners is no doubt changing. Today there is only so much public money to go around. In the near future I doubt that many people are going to care if the sports facility they payed for isn't quite as fancy and extravagant as some others if one town's outdated and overloaded sewage treatment plant is dumping raw sewage in the river.....the very place where the town down river gets it's drinking water.Great, but let's not single out our favorite pet peeve when the spending across the board is irresponsible.
Other than Flint's lead issues where's that happening?Public attitudes toward wealthy sports franchise owners is no doubt changing. Today there is only so much public money to go around. In the near future I doubt that many people are going to care if the sports facility they payed for isn't quite as fancy and extravagant as some others if one town's outdated and overloaded sewage treatment plant is dumping raw sewage in the river.....the very place where the town down river gets it's drinking water.
It's LA it's always been that way. If either of the two teams make it to the playoffs they'll pack Coliseum.The Rams are leading their division and they are not drawing fans in the 2nd or 3rd largest city.