NJ Sick Leave Law [NEED HELP]

[PackageSlapper]

So I don't really know what else to do or who else to try to ask but this has become more then frustrating. If anyone works Part Time in NJ and may be able to help I'd appreciate it. I'm close to pressing charges and I was told by the NJ DOL that they would like to look into it further but I need to submit the actual charge first. But anyway, I know with the sick time law they are only required to give us 40 hours of sick time a year. 20 of that now comes from the contract sick time which is required to be paid. I have been told several times by shop stewards and other employees (because I asked) that we have to use our company sick time first before using our state time. One problem with that, when I use my company time they also take state time and only pay for one. So by the time I'm done using my company sick time I have no state time because it takes both while only paying for one. I have worked here almost 7 years now and I have never seen my state time past 15 hours. In fact, by them doing this sometimes it goes into the negatives and makes it impossible for me to actually earn any time outside my company sick days. The law says its required to be paid. They take 8 hours of sick time (combination of company and state) but only pay for 4 hours. When I ask any shop steward (and I've asked about 5-6) they all say this is supposed to happen, yet the DOL wants me to press charges so they can investigate. Why is the union so positive that this is supposed to happen when the DOL is telling me its not and they want to investigate? A business agent told my friend that apparently after we are done using our company time that the state sick leave is supposed to stop accruing.. If that was true (and I don't believe it is) then I wouldn't be getting my legal 40 hours because by the time I'm done using my company time it dries up my state time. Does this make sense to anybody??? I feel like their just stealing my sick time and the union does not care enough to look further into it. I'm being thrown back and fourth here and I feel like people are just doubting my complaint as nothing. Why does the law and DOL both conflict with what the union is telling me?? This is both confusing and beyond frustrating. If anyone knows I'd appreciate the help, thanks.

 

[catstalking]

Stop calling out sick, thanks

 

[PackageSlapper]

I have the right to use my time if I need to lmfao. There was no need for that reply.

 

[MyTripisCut]

So I don't really know what else to do or who else to try to ask but this has become more then frustrating. If anyone works Part Time in NJ and may be able to help I'd appreciate it. I'm close to pressing charges and I was told by the NJ DOL that they would like to look into it further but I need to submit the actual charge first. But anyway, I know with the sick time law they are only required to give us 40 hours of sick time a year. 20 of that now comes from the contract sick time which is required to be paid. I have been told several times by shop stewards and other employees (because I asked) that we have to use our company sick time first before using our state time. One problem with that, when I use my company time they also take state time and only pay for one. So by the time I'm done using my company sick time I have no state time because it takes both while only paying for one. I have worked here almost 7 years now and I have never seen my state time past 15 hours. In fact, by them doing this sometimes it goes into the negatives and makes it impossible for me to actually earn any time outside my company sick days. The law says its required to be paid. They take 8 hours of sick time (combination of company and state) but only pay for 4 hours. When I ask any shop steward (and I've asked about 5-6) they all say this is supposed to happen, yet the DOL wants me to press charges so they can investigate. Why is the union so positive that this is supposed to happen when the DOL is telling me its not and they want to investigate? A business agent told my friend that apparently after we are done using our company time that the state sick leave is supposed to stop accruing.. If that was true (and I don't believe it is) then I wouldn't be getting my legal 40 hours because by the time I'm done using my company time it dries up my state time. Does this make sense to anybody??? I feel like their just stealing my sick time and the union does not care enough to look further into it. I'm being thrown back and fourth here and I feel like people are just doubting my complaint as nothing. Why does the law and DOL both conflict with what the union is telling me?? This is both confusing and beyond frustrating. If anyone knows I'd appreciate the help, thanks.

I think you are not reading the entire law. You can earn UP TO 40 hours, but you are asking if anyone who works PT can help. The law states you earn one hour of sick leave for every 30 hours worked. As a PT employee, you really can’t get the 40 hours from UPS. If you work your guarantee 3.5 everyday, you’ll have worked 17.5 hours per week. Times that by 52, and you have worked 910 hours. Divide that by 30 and you’ll have earned around 30 hours. If you don’t work full guarantees and full weeks, you will earn even less. Most PTmers here usually only stay for 3, which cuts your earn time down to 26 hours. And again you have to work to accrue it, using personal or sick time granted through the contract does not count either. Most PTmers accrue only 15-20 hours of NJ sick leave per year. As far as the payout by the company, that is a joke, and if you feel they aren’t paying it submit a grievance.

 

[Brownsocks]

I think you are not reading the entire law. You can earn UP TO 40 hours, but you are asking if anyone who works PT can help. The law states you earn one hour of sick leave for every 30 hours worked. As a PT employee, you really can’t get the 40 hours from UPS. If you work your guarantee 3.5 everyday, you’ll have worked 17.5 hours per week. Times that by 52, and you have worked 910 hours. Divide that by 30 and you’ll have earned around 30 hours. If you don’t work full guarantees and full weeks, you will earn even less. Most PTmers here usually only stay for 3, which cuts your earn time down to 26 hours. And again you have to work to accrue it, using personal or sick time granted through the contract does not count either. Most PTmers accrue only 15-20 hours of NJ sick leave per year. As far as the payout by the company, that is a joke, and if you feel they aren’t paying it submit a grievance.

Beat me to it. The problem probably lies in the lack of hours. Go over your check stubs but I would assume NJ hours aren't banked until you actually work the required amount.

 

[PackageSlapper]

I think you are not reading the entire law. You can earn UP TO 40 hours, but you are asking if anyone who works PT can help. The law states you earn one hour of sick leave for every 30 hours worked. As a PT employee, you really can’t get the 40 hours from UPS. If you work your guarantee 3.5 everyday, you’ll have worked 17.5 hours per week. Times that by 52, and you have worked 910 hours. Divide that by 30 and you’ll have earned around 30 hours. If you don’t work full guarantees and full weeks, you will earn even less. Most PTmers here usually only stay for 3, which cuts your earn time down to 26 hours. And again you have to work to accrue it, using personal or sick time granted through the contract does not count either. Most PTmers accrue only 15-20 hours of NJ sick leave per year. As far as the payout by the company, that is a joke, and if you feel they aren’t paying it submit a grievance.

The thing is I have people in my department who have the 40 hours. its 40 hours in total so not an extra 40 over the 20 we get now. I honestly get over 3.5 almost every day, sometimes nearing to 5 hours. But that would make sense if half of that was already the company sick time and it was taken out at the same time. They are required by law to provide that time. But even when I worked another building before they layed off the sort, I was working 6.5 hours sometimes because of how busy it was working PT. I still never went over 15 when they were legally required to let us earn 28, because we had 3 sick days in the last contract. This law saved my job because they were required to abide by it, they dont have a choice because im PT. FT gets provided that time by the company so they dont have to give it to FT because of that. NJ has a sick leave law so that anybody can get up to 10 days to use if sick or family emergencies. We dont only get 3.5 just because thats the minimum, lol. I would submit a grievance but its not a contract issue so the union can only give advice, I would have to file charges with the DOL. Ive tried, trust me. Ive tried everything at this point

 

[PackageSlapper]

Beat me to it. The problem probably lies in the lack of hours. Go over your check stubs but I would assume NJ hours aren't banked until you actually work the required amount.

Please read the reply I just sent, we dont only get 3.5 just because its the minimum friend

 

[Brownsocks]

Please read the reply I just sent, we dont only get 3.5 just because its the minimum friend

I was just trying to help. Since you have it all figured out why did you post in the first place? File charges if you feel UPS is wrong. You probably won't find validation here.

 

[PackageSlapper]

I was just trying to help. Since you have it all figured out why did you post in the first place? File charges if you feel UPS is wrong. You probably won't find validation here.
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Why be so rude..?? I was just trying to give you the info I know about man

 

[oldngray]

I was just trying to help. Since you have it all figured out why did you post in the first place? File charges if you feel UPS is wrong. You probably won't find validation here.
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Why don't you just give him the answers he wants to hear?

 

[Thebrownblob]

Why be so rude..?? I was just trying to give you the info I know about man

I don’t believe anyone was being rude to you. I believe they were giving you the info as it pertains to the law. You can always file a grievance or get a lawyer.

You might consider rude being someone asking you why in the world you need so much sick time? Which is exactly what I’m going to ask you, do you have some sort of ailment that keeps you from working? Maybe UPS just isn’t the job for you. It’s pretty physical and even if you work inside, it’s cold and hot and if you have a hangnail, or sniffles it’s difficult to go to work. Hope you feel better.

 

[Brownsocks]

Why don't you just give him the answers he wants to hear?

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@PackageSlapper the company is definitely in the wrong and you should keep fighting to get paid to stay home. I get a week working 2300 hours per year and you should too.

 

[Johney]

If you have a legitimate illness requiring more time off than you have why not file for FMLA or do you just want to be paid for all your time off?

 

[Wally]

Did the union waive its rights in NJ?

• Employees covered by a CBA on the date the law goes into effect are not covered by the law until the CBA expires. Upon expiration of the CBA, those employees become covered by the law.
• Additionally, however, the law states that employees “may waive the rights or benefits provided under this act during the negotiation of a collective bargaining agreement.” This appears to mean that employers and unions can agree that employees covered by a union contract will not receive all or any of the sick leave required by the law (presumably in exchange for some other benefit).

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

So I don't really know what else to do or who else to try to ask but this has become more then frustrating. If anyone works Part Time in NJ and may be able to help I'd appreciate it. I'm close to pressing charges and I was told by the NJ DOL that they would like to look into it further but I need to submit the actual charge first. But anyway, I know with the sick time law they are only required to give us 40 hours of sick time a year. 20 of that now comes from the contract sick time which is required to be paid. I have been told several times by shop stewards and other employees (because I asked) that we have to use our company sick time first before using our state time. One problem with that, when I use my company time they also take state time and only pay for one. So by the time I'm done using my company sick time I have no state time because it takes both while only paying for one. I have worked here almost 7 years now and I have never seen my state time past 15 hours. In fact, by them doing this sometimes it goes into the negatives and makes it impossible for me to actually earn any time outside my company sick days. The law says its required to be paid. They take 8 hours of sick time (combination of company and state) but only pay for 4 hours. When I ask any shop steward (and I've asked about 5-6) they all say this is supposed to happen, yet the DOL wants me to press charges so they can investigate. Why is the union so positive that this is supposed to happen when the DOL is telling me its not and they want to investigate? A business agent told my friend that apparently after we are done using our company time that the state sick leave is supposed to stop accruing.. If that was true (and I don't believe it is) then I wouldn't be getting my legal 40 hours because by the time I'm done using my company time it dries up my state time. Does this make sense to anybody??? I feel like their just stealing my sick time and the union does not care enough to look further into it. I'm being thrown back and fourth here and I feel like people are just doubting my complaint as nothing. Why does the law and DOL both conflict with what the union is telling me?? This is both confusing and beyond frustrating. If anyone knows I'd appreciate the help, thanks.

You need to file these charges bro. That 20 hours is yours and UPS is ing you. Let the NJDOL finally put these pricks in their place. You have a chance to fix this for everyone in NJ. Git 'er done bro!