States with paid sick time laws...

[MyTripisCut]

I would love to argue a grievance when "UPS handles the other 16 hours poorly".

40 hours is forty hours.

....unless there is something in that particular law that gives UPS an out?

We win them all the time. The inconvenience becomes tedious.

 

[Bubblehead]

We win them all the time. The inconvenience becomes tedious.

With penalty pay?

 

[MyTripisCut]

With penalty pay?

Will keep you posted!

 

[Wally]

There's the answer for us Michiganders. No additional sick time.

 

[Doublestandards]

I would just keep my mouth shut, vote yes. What are they scared of?

You would think it would be a no brainer for employees, better pay, better benefits?

I was reading an Amazon forum while they were discussing unionizing with teamsters, overwhelmingly they were against it, and the main reason they kept citing was union dues, having more bosses (I guess they think union representatives and stewards are bosses?) and worse insurance

So basically they were lied to. Or these were mostly bots employed by Amazon to discourage potential voters

 

[Thebrownblob]

I was reading an Amazon forum while they were discussing unionizing with teamsters, overwhelmingly they were against it, and the main reason they kept citing was union dues, having more bosses (I guess they think union representatives and stewards are bosses?) and worse insurance

So basically they were lied to. Or these were mostly bots employed by Amazon to discourage potential voters

Sounds like bots discouraging. Or some sort of Amazon plant spreading misinformation. we’ve had three Union card check drives at two different buildings and have gotten almost 70% of the card signed for Union representation every time. The problem is the company won’t negotiate in a timely manner. Then people quit. Or get fired. And the process starts again.

 

[Wally]

I was reading an Amazon forum while they were discussing unionizing with teamsters, overwhelmingly they were against it, and the main reason they kept citing was union dues, having more bosses (I guess they think union representatives and stewards are bosses?) and worse insurance

So basically they were lied to. Or these were mostly bots employed by Amazon to discourage potential voters

Stupid is as stupid does. Who wouldn't pay 100 to make 1000's more?

 

[Thebrownblob]

Stupid is as stupid does. Who wouldn't pay 100 to make 1000's more

For some of us who have been union members for decades, it makes sense, but to these people, they barely even know what a union is or does. Some of these people don’t even have checking accounts and get some sort of card issued for their pay. most of them are getting ripped off and don’t even know it.

 

[KearsargeCoop]

For some of us who have been union members for decades, it makes sense, but to these people, they barely even know what a union is or does. Some of these people don’t even have checking accounts and get some sort of card issued for their pay. most of them are getting ripped off and don’t even know it.

And you're right, the bots are real and flooding those messages boards.

 

[Thebrownblob]

And you're right, the bots are real and flooding those messages boards.

Amazon has a sophisticated way of dealing with unions. clearly, we are a threat to there profits.

 

[DriverNerd]

We got it in MN last year, first couple of months were not good. We accrue 1 hr of pst per 32 hours worked. First few people that used it had an option day taken away. Have a very good steward and BA they all got there option time back.

When calling in we are instructed to either use the terms "Walz pay" or "sick or wellness day". There is a specific code for it 2* and time card will show sick pay but zero pay. But paycheck will have the day coded correctly and you will get your pay for the day. Strangely the supervisor that managed it didn't really know how to do it, so I always got paid 10 hours for a Walz pay day. Haven't used one since he left so not sure if that will still be the case

I'll continue with what you said. This is really more information for those not in Minnesota. We can only carry over so much sick time here in MN and I hadn't used any for most of the year so I had 60 some hours in my bank. So I made a bunch of appointments toward the end of the year and used my ESST (which is MN's sick time law). MN ESST also applies for your child's appointments as well. I was paid 10 hours for each except for one was at 8 hours. No idea why, but it was paid correctly from my ESST bank. We use code 47 in our hub, so if you have to ask for the day off ahead of time as 47, doctor, or ESST. For call ins it as quoted above or something of that nature. The state law does not apply to employers that already fulfill their sick time obligation on their own as long as they maintain at least the laws minimum amount of hours.

Our locals suggested that we not split up our option week into sick time days because that would qualify UPS as having supplied 50 hours of ESST time (FT). By not splitting up option week as sick days we get MN ESST separately (talk about ing you over otherwise). And as said above it shows "sick day - no pay" on timecard viewer if coded correctly and does not count as a punch (like a holiday, PH or option week day) so your sixth day is not paid all day OT as it counts as your 5th. Since MN's ESST doesn't count toward your DOT I usually volunteer for Saturday those weeks I take a day off, then I get my full hours for the week plus an extra 10 added on.

 

[nWo]

 

[KearsargeCoop]

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Don't be late for work.

 

[Thebrownblob]

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That sucks, but if you’re poking the bear, you really really need to be on top of your game . Don’t give them a reason.

 

[KearsargeCoop]

That sucks, but if you’re poking the bear, you really really need to be on top of your game . Don’t give them a reason.

Thank you.

 

[Wally]

I was reading an Amazon forum while they were discussing unionizing with teamsters, overwhelmingly they were against it, and the main reason they kept citing was union dues, having more bosses (I guess they think union representatives and stewards are bosses?) and worse insurance

So basically they were lied to. Or these were mostly bots employed by Amazon to discourage potential voters

Natural reaction is "they will take my money". It's like hiring a financial planner or attorney's, you balk because of fees, but good ones make or save you much more than without them.

The union sales pitch need to overcome these objections first thing.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Natural reaction is "they will take my money". It's like hiring a financial planner or attorney's, you balk because of fees, but good ones make or save you much more than without them.

The union sales pitch need to overcome these objections first thing.

Again, you’re not wrong. But remember the union might have 5 or 10 minutes a day to talk to these people and make their sales pitch. The company has 8+ hours a day five days a week or more to propagandize and intimidate these people.

 

[Wally]

Again, you’re not wrong. But remember the union might have 5 or 10 minutes a day to talk to these people and make their sales pitch. The company has 8+ hours a day five days a week or more to propagandize and intimidate these people.

First objective you overcome in any pitch.

Would you like to earn (fill in the amount) extra over your lifetime?

Would you like a secure retirement?

Your labor earns the company huge profits, do you think they will willingly pay you that extra? Why aren't they doing it now?

Workers at companies like UPS earn much more than non union companies, and their company makes record profits, year after year. You can share in that and the company can earn big. Happens all the time.

 

[Thebrownblob]

First objective you overcome in any pitch.

Would you like to earn (fill in the amount) extra over your lifetime?

Would you like a secure retirement?

Your labor earns the company huge profits, do you think they will willingly pay you that extra? Why aren't they doing it now?

Workers at companies like UPS earn much more than non union companies, and their company makes record profits, year after year. You can share in that and the company can earn big. Happens all the time.

You’re hired! When can you start?