No new 22.2 jobs created in this contract!

[BigUnionGuy]

Bug, there is no guarantee any new 22.3 jobs will be created. I believe if 22.4’s stay in the contract you will have more than 5,000 new jobs when added to the minimum of 2,000 new Sleeper Team runs. So the company will be under no obligation to create new 22.3 jobs.

It's going to be interesting.... as I have a informal meeting scheduled with some high ranking

members of the National negotiation committee coming up. (good friends)

 

[bowhnterdon]

Absolute BS.


Read the language in Article 22.3

"This commitment shall include the obligation to create at least five thousand (5000) new full- time jobs from existing part-time jobs during the last four (4) years of this Agreement throughout its operations covered by this Agreement"


Article 22.4

"11. Newly created 22.4 combination driver positions shall count toward the newly created 22.3 jobs required by this Agreement."


Article 26 Section 6

"1. The Company commits that the number of new drivers needed to remove loads from the rail shall be, at least, two thousand (2000), over the life of the current contract."




The two different articles have nothing to do with each other.


Are peoples reading comprehension skills.... really that poor ?



-Bug-

Well,you admitted you were wrong,that is a start..The real question is why do you always throw insults in with your sometimes incorrect responses...

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Well,you admitted you were wrong,that is a start..

In the 12 years I have been a member of this forum, I might have be inaccurate a few times.

Usually.... because I fire off a quick emotional response.


On the occasion, if I'm wrong (can probably count it on 1 hand) I've admitted my mistake.

I have dispensed more useful information.... as evidenced by my PM inbox.


@bowhnterdon.... Who is always right ?

The real question is why do you always throw insults in with your sometimes incorrect responses...

If what I say, offends some people.... "muscle up, buttercup".

How do you think they react, when dealing with some arrogant (nobody) UPS supe ?



-Bug-

 

[DELACROIX]

5,000 new Jobs is the minimum, not maximum. If 22.4 jobs are in the new contract, they will most likely create more than 5,000 new jobs over the length of this contract when you add in the new Sleeper Team runs.

Maybe I am missing something but why would the company create more full time positions than their minimum obligation of 5000?

Also look at the timetables of those new 22.4 positions, none in the first, 500 in the second and 1,500 with the last three. I am reasoning that there will be a mass exiting after 1 Jan 2020 with the Central and South. Any other thoughts on this?

 

[Pizza]

Are there going to be any actual 22.3 jobs created, Or will they all be 22.4 ?

 

[What'dyabringmetoday???]

It's going to be interesting.... as I have a informal meeting scheduled with some high ranking

members of the National negotiation committee coming up. (good friends)

Who's buying.... at the nineteenth hole? Lol. (Might be time for a .... formal meeting).

 

[UnconTROLLed]

You need to show your local this language in the TA.

View attachment 214034

It says the number of 22.3 jobs shall not be reduced. Changing them to 22.4 is reducing the number of 22.3 jobs.

no, it says "the number of full-time jobs CREATED shall not be reduced", important difference. The company can create the 22.3 job in accordance with the contract, then pull the shell-game maneuver.

 

[542thruNthru]

no, it says "the number of full-time jobs CREATED shall not be reduced", important difference. The company can create the 22.3 job in accordance with the contract, then pull the shell-game maneuver.

You left out the most important part. "Under Article 22 section 3".

So the 22.3 jobs created from 1997 to 2018 shall not be reduced. If all it said was "the number of full-time jobs CREATED shall not be reduced" then yes I would agree with you.

But hey, agree to disagree I guess.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

You left out the most important part. "Under Article 22 section 3".

So the 22.3 jobs created from 1997 to 2018 shall not be reduced. If all it said was "the number of full-time jobs CREATED shall not be reduced" then yes I would agree with you.

But hey, agree to disagree I guess.

But didn't it say in this contract proposal that 22.3 jobs can be replaced by 22.4 jobs?

 

[542thruNthru]

But didn't it say in this contract proposal that 22.3 jobs can be replaced by 22.4 jobs?

No, I believe what it say is 22.4s will count towards the newly created 5000 job in this contracts. Unless I'm mistaken that's what I think you're thinking of.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

No, I believe what it say is 22.4s will count towards the newly created 5000 job in this contracts. Unless I'm mistaken that's what I think you're thinking of.

I'll have to look at it again.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Who's buying.... at the nineteenth hole? Lol. (Might be time for a .... formal meeting).

Jealous ?

 

[542thruNthru]

I'll have to look at it again.

I think this is what you're thinking of.

#11

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I think this is what you're thinking of.

#11
View attachment 214413

Yes. That's what I saw.

 

[542thruNthru]

Yes. That's what I saw.

Yeah that's for the newly created jobs this contract. So it still should not effect the 22.3 jobs made the previous contracts.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Yeah that's for the newly created jobs this contract. So it still should not effect the 22.3 jobs made the previous contracts.

You know they aren't going to create any new 22.3 jobs. Why should they?

 

[542thruNthru]

You know they aren't going to create any new 22.3 jobs. Why should they?

I agree. They absolutely will not create one 22.3 job the whole 5 years. Especially now that we've found out the 2000 sleeper jobs will also count towards the 5000 jobs

 

[What'dyabringmetoday???]

Jealous ?

I guess you are.... on to me. I want to waste other people's money and....look down on them. Lol.