NO TO HYBRID DRIVERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Staydryitsraining]

I am still of the opinion, they will be additional support for the preload and then deliver

all the crap left in the building. And then.... bail out over dispatched RPCD's.

That would avoid having air drivers perform the work and being paid top driver rate.


Midnight sorts are hard to staff, but the preload is the hardest because of the hours.



-Bug-

So they will have delayed preload start times? Coming in when preload hits 3.5 hours? Then finishing preload and out on road the rest of the day?

 

[Over disciplined0123]

This is like the twilight zone watching these drivers who asked for less overtime squirm that they might ONLY get 8 hours a day.

If they hired 25% more fulltime drivers, contractually, would it be the same outrage?

It has nothing to do with overtime I personally hate OT and am on the no excessive overtime list..... wake up it's about why a company that makes 6billion in profit from the sweat and hard work of employees want to create a new class of lower paid drivers .. Why would they ever promote a partimer to a regular 38dollar a hour driver job in the future... ok they are saying in 5 years the hybrid driver will be at 36 a hour by then the regular drivers will be at 45ish

 

[Over disciplined0123]

Hybrid drivers are coming. We can vote it down all we want. They are coming...

Not if we vote it down and stick together like 1997. I was here in 1997 and was also told it will pass you will never see a strike here

 

[Over disciplined0123]

Without seeing all the Master language or the supplements:


Does it hurt your mind:

To uselessly speculate on impending doom ?


It's like watching a 3 year old child, throw a temper tantrum.


You demand ?

you.


Spend the money, time, and effort.... to be elected into Local Union office.

And then you could make a change.



-Bug-

Change is nationally not locally

 

[SolidWoodPanel]

So they will have delayed preload start times? Coming in when preload hits 3.5 hours? Then finishing preload and out on road the rest of the day?

Our preload is rarely 3.5 hours. We've got six supervisors. One's a bag, One needs to retire. Two are good. And the other two you rarely see but when you do, they're in the way.

 

[HEFFERNAN]

• Possible and probable issues and scenarios if this latest UPS proposal is accepted. As we typically see on a daily basis for the last 5 years the preload shifts can not wrap up before start times mostly due to the fact of employee turnover from the low starting pay and current part time wages . When drivers get out of the building late means they return to building later at night with all their pickup pieces at end of day (A chain reaction begins) It's obvious the company realizes this ongoing situation can not be fixed and is accepting situation with the new 22.4 lower paid hybrid drivers who will then never have the chance of the regular friend/T driver position which pays approximately 40 grand a year more ....!!!!Here is what is possible and probable..Let's say we have 845 start time any work not loaded on truck at starting time will be left in cages till the regular fulltime drivers leave the building then a few new empty trucks will be brought in and loaded and staffed with the lower paid 22.4 hybrid drivers .... The regular full time drivers are only guaranteed 8 hrs a day ,with that being said let's say only 7hrs of work was all that made it on your truck that day you would have to call in to center which then will send you to another driver for work or add some pick up stops so you get 8hrs of pay .. so every day these hybrid drivers ( who make significantly less money ) will deliver the packages that preload could not process before start time . Ups would save billions in operating costs and you will never see any more overtime again or a regular full time driver position filled again.This two tier wage scale is a union's worst enemy ,it was started by corporate America in the auto industry and look what happened to steel and auto workers which was once a most sought after career ....One that you could raise a family and live the American dream ..........I know ups will say that they are creating full time jobs which is a fact BUT. THEY ARE CREATING significantly Lower paying fulltime jobs.......instead of hiring a regular full time driver position who will be making 45 dollars an hour in 2022 . It amazes me that people do not know that UPS and/or investors will pay millions of dollars and hire these union busting money saving capitalists that shares ideas and tactics to increase divededs even if and when they take it from the rank and file hard working employees who made many sacrifices for this company a 6billion dollar profit making huge corporation .... we all need to open our eyes and look at the big picture of how UPS can and will abuse contract language .. as a 28 year teamster and ups employee I believe the simplistic way to help the situation of the Preloads not being wrapped up on time is to raise the part time starting wage to 15$ a hour and possibly 20 $ with a opt out no benefits ..Then you won't have so much employee turnover and have to keep retraining new part time employees also 50 percent of new partime hires never use their benefits for that matter so start them at $20 a hour with a opt out of no benefits ..I would just like to add that I learned a lot from this company as this being my first and only job in my lifetime. When I was 18 I was told by a manager we are all just numbers here at ups and easily replaced . That was almost 30 years ago I was told that and now see the meaning of his statement ....i. WE ALL NEED TO COME TOGETHER FOR GODS SAKES AND COMMUNICATE WITH FACTS WHY WOULD WE WANT LOWER PAYING FULL TIME JOBS CREATED WHY NOT JUST HIRE MORE FULLTIME DRIVERS WITJ NO TWO TIER WAGE SCALE.

Hybrid drivers ARE NOT STUCK there for eternity. They get promoted to FT M-friend when the slot opens .

As far as we know, NO ONE knows the details yet.
Let the facts come out before you start making up fake news with this BS.

 

[bowhnterdon]

Not if we vote it down and stick together like 1997. I was here in 1997 and was also told it will pass you will never see a strike here

Different President,even BUG knows Junior would never call a strike. Besides in ‘97, It was obvious, thru Titan messages, that negotiations were not going smoothly. This time it was complete silence.

 

[cachmeifucan]

We

Not if we vote it down and stick together like 1997. I was here in 1997 and was also told it will pass you will never see a strike here

don't need a strike but a perceived upcoming strike may scare ups to break

 

[SafetyFirst]

Why would anyone who has worked here for more than 2 days believe the company is honestly presenting you ANYTHING, especially this hybrid thing?

They lie and they abuse and they cheat at every possible opportunity ... If you think hybrids won't go the same route you have to be out of your mind

 

[cachmeifucan]

Your joking if u think the 22.4 do anything but drive. At the lower pay scale manager will have no choice to hit goals and the pressure. Right now we have 22.3 that drive feeder all summer long and from October to February most of them never come inside the hub maybe 3 months out of the year. So why not add more 22.3 jobs that's because they get feeder pay. So they have a classification to add more jobs to they just want it at lower rate I bet we don't vote until November. Why Would A New Hire Vote For A Pay Decrease If they Getting 125 Bonus A week That's 14.60 To 13 I'm Sure To Convince Many To VOTE no

 

[CanOSup]

EVERYBODY PANIC!!!

 

[cachmeifucan]

Nobody is here to panic this is the forum to address issues. Management is about to panic when the public hears we voted down contract they will automatically think strike even though any ups person know ain't no way we can strike it would only benefit workers and hurt union and company.

 

[OrionsBitch]

Just what we needed.... another thread on the subject.





Why would you think they couldn't eventually bid on a full-time pkg car job ?





The time for submitting contract proposals, has long since past.



-Bug-

There is no guarantee UPS will continue to offer new full time driving positions...

 

[CanOSup]

Nobody is here to panic this is the forum to address issues. Management is about to panic when the public hears we voted down contract they will automatically think strike even though any ups person know ain't no way we can strike it would only benefit workers and hurt union and company.

This is a forum to complain about how life and the big bad brown is so unfair.

 

[Over disciplined0123]

Your joking if u think the 22.4 do anything but drive. At the lower pay scale manager will have no choice to hit goals and the pressure. Right now we have 22.3 that drive feeder all summer long and from October to February most of them never come inside the hub maybe 3 months out of the year. So why not add more 22.3 jobs that's because they get feeder pay. So they have a classification to add more jobs to they just want it at lower rate I bet we don't vote until November. Why Would A New Hire Vote For A Pay Decrease If they Getting 125 Bonus A week That's 14.60 To 13 I'm Sure To Convince Many To VOTE no

22.3 jobs have a top rate of 28,00 a hour. Feeder rate us same as packag

There is no guarantee UPS will continue to offer new full time driving positions...

why is that. How are they going to fill this next wave of retirees. Which will be the most in history. These are the drivers like myself that were hired in the start of online shopping era This is a fact we that were hired in 1990s make up over 60 percent of the full time drivers. We are about to retire in the next 5 years

 

[Over disciplined0123]

Mab

22.3 jobs have a top rate of 28,00 a hour. Feeder rate us same as packag

why is that. How are they going to fill this next wave of retirees. Which will be the most in history. These are the drivers like myself that were hired in the start of online shopping era This is a fact we that were hired in 1990s make up over 60 percent of the full time drivers. We are about to retire in the next 5 years

mabey now you might see what UPS is trying to do UPS knows that over 60 percent of thier high paid drivers will be leaving soon ::::, They tried to bust this union at ups and failed so now they need new plan

 

[Over disciplined0123]

A lot of non facts...

1. A regular driver will only be paid about $13,000 more than a hybrid straight time. Not 40k

2. Pkgs left in cages? Do you mean in the boxline? If so, you are saying hybrids will do the same duplicate stops as regular drivers. That would be the most inefficient, costly way to run hybrids

3. Drivers will NOT make $45 in 2022.

I’m all for someone arguing an opinion, but at least start with the facts.

 

[Over disciplined0123]

Really so we are not going to get our normal raises of 4 to 5 dollars during duration of contract

 

[Over disciplined0123]

Because I read no where about driver pay raises for next contract . I have been here I think 4 or 5 contracts now and always received what averages out to a dollar a year ... Don’t argue when you know nothing. Go apply for the hybrid driver job. I’ll be right next to you doing the same work making 20 dollars a hour more then you. How fair is that. Unions are all about equality and equal rights why would we vote on something that totally defeats the unionized workplace environment.. Wake up dude

 

[PT Car Washer]

Because I read no where about driver pay raises for next contract . I have been here I think 4 or 5 contracts now and always received what averages out to a dollar a year ... Don’t argue when you know nothing. Go apply for the hybrid driver job. I’ll be right next to you doing the same work making 20 dollars a hour more then you. How fair is that. Unions are all about equality and equal rights why would we vote on something that totally defeats the unionized workplace environment.. Wake up dude

Wake up dude. Union employees work inside the Hubs for all different pay rates doing the same jobs. PT earning $10/hr to PT earning $35/hr and Art 22.3 somewhere in between. So now you want to go on strike because this is all so unfair. What a hypocrite.