Thank you for making my point that all societies are socialist to some degree.
Ocasio-Cortez and the “socialist” left
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El Correcto
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The big straw man I see is calling entitlements rights and that you deserve them.
Where in that platform does it say that these things will be "free" or "paid for off the backs of others"?You’re delusional.
El Correcto
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Whenever it is called a human right. Who do you think pays the salaries of guaranteed government jobs? I mean we are literally regressiving into communist territory here. Outcome equality.
The current pretty little socialist in favor is espousing free college. Obamacare provides very nice healthcare to the poor. Someone has to pay for it and in the world y'all envision people will pretty much be working for the government so that everyone will get distributed to them what they need from the government. Problem is when you take away the motivation to do better for yourself and family things start falling apart. Has happened everywhere tried. The EU is slowly but surely disintegrating because the more boldly socialist countries there are broke or soon to be, and the milder socialists there don't want to have to pay for other's mistakes. The post earlier in this thread where the fellow said the government doesn't need an income, it can print money, it'll never go broke is so misguided it's scary. And that's what Bernie Sanders et al are espousing.
No one says this stuff will be free, Bernie Sanders even admitted that his plans would involve increased taxes. But it's not "other people's money", it's "our money" paying for things that we all benefit from. College would be tuition free for everybody, not just the poor. Healthcare would free of charge to everybody, not just the poor. And "our money" would pay for that in the same way that "our money" pays for building roads, public schools, the military, etc.
FYI I'm not a proponent of "full blown socialism", I think a mix of socialism and capitalism (which is what we currently have) works best. I just get tired of the mis-characterizations.
i dont see anything about worker control here. btw worker control is not government nor capitalistYou’re delusional.
government finance not comparable to household fin
im saying we need 1 worker 1 votr, not one share 1 vote
capitalism can run out of other peoples money as well. like ponzi schemes, debt bubbles, bailouts
arent you already?
To have everything you just said would entail exactly what I said before. Everyone would be so hammered by taxes that we would just be working for the government. Doesn't work.
El Correcto
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This is poison. I can’t tell if you are just trolling and it’s clear we disagree on so many levels this conversation isn’t even worth having.
Let’s just rename he Fourth of July to Dependence Day so you can celebrate this wonderful utopia and cast aside any rememberance of a free nation.
your not even remotely close to having equality from birth.
some are obscenely rich, some are terribly poor (and sick and all that depressing socio economic stuff that comes w being poor)
other countries already do it and possibly have lower taxes on the poor than america.
raise your expectations
You're just jabbering now. I mean come on dude, you're a grown man who stills lives at home with his mother...
What does that even mean?
Name them.
workers pretend to work as employees and are unmotivated when working for capitalists...
El Correcto
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I’m still living on my own.
Moving back home will enable me to excel in ways other people look back on and wish they did.
