Ocasio-Cortez and the “socialist” left

[vantexan]

It's funny, the article I posted said when you take politics out of it, most people support a new deal style program to modernize our energy infrastructure.

You saw the name of a Democrat, and proved their point. You didn't even bother reading it because you think your team is against it.

Sad.

So you don't have a viable alternative to oil?

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

So you don't have a viable alternative to oil?

So you don't support modernizing our energy infrastructure? Ok. You're in the minority.

 

[vantexan]

So you don't support modernizing our energy infrastructure? Ok. You're in the minority.

I think whatever works is fine. If solar and wind help, great. But the "green" goal is to completely stop the use of oil and as yet there's no viable alternative to do so.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

But the "green" goal is to completely stop the use of oil

No it's not.

 

[Fred's Myth]

So you don't have a viable alternative to oil?

COAL OIL!

HELL, YEAH!

 

[vantexan]

No it's not.

I've read enough articles where they've stated that. Don't need to read another.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

I've read enough articles where they've stated that. Don't need to read another.

Sure buddy, keep dancing.

 

[vantexan]

Sure buddy, keep dancing.
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You've yet to tell me how we'll replace oil so who's really dancing here?

 

[Box Ox]

You've yet to tell me how we'll replace oil so who's really dancing here?

Agree. Parties on both sides will never get anywhere with their ideas until their related goals move beyond the "aspirational" phase. Anything short of that is just political posturing.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

You've yet to tell me how we'll replace oil so who's really dancing here?

You made a straw man argument that we have to completely replace oil, which no one is suggesting, then declared victory in a battle only you were fighting.

Carry on.

 

[BrownArmy]

So tell me about all the petroleum based products that we can replace without any effort? Tell me how we're going to fuel UPS trucks to move freight? How will planes fly? If there was a viable alternative to oil why haven't we replaced oil already? And why is it that the political heavyweights and movie stars who are trying to save the planet not given up their private jets? Lead by example if you want to change the world.

In a way, you’re arguing against yourself.

Oil is finite, so we should think strategically about how best to use it.

Anything that involves plastics involves petroleum, seems to me we should ration it instead of wasting it because we enjoy subsidizing Big Oil.

Just take one example, the healthcare system.

Maybe we should save some oil to make needles and IV bags and and and...

You know what?

Screw it, let’s forget about developing new technologies that could provide a template for a new economy that’s not based on oil, which would provide thousands of jobs and keep us on the cutting edge!!!! Killer plan.

Meanwhile, China is eating our lunch on solar and wind tech because somehow we just can’t get our heads out of Exxons’ intestines.

FFS, hemp might finally become legal here in the States...

(We’ve been importing billions in industrial hemp from Canada for years...their heads aren’t so far up someone else’s ...it’s ridiculous)

 

[BrownArmy]

I think whatever works is fine. If solar and wind help, great. But the "green" goal is to completely stop the use of oil and as yet there's no viable alternative to do so.

It’s not about stopping oil, it’s about getting off the teat.

We need oil and we always will, that’s not the issue.

 

[vantexan]

In a way, you’re arguing against yourself.

Oil is finite, so we should think strategically about how best to use it.

Anything that involves plastics involves petroleum, seems to me we should ration it instead of wasting it because we enjoy subsidizing Big Oil.

Just take one example, the healthcare system.

Maybe we should save some oil to make needles and IV bags and and and...

You know what?

Screw it, let’s forget about developing new technologies that could provide a template for a new economy that’s not based on oil, which would provide thousands of jobs and keep us on the cutting edge!!!! Killer plan.

Meanwhile, China is eating our lunch on solar and wind tech because somehow we just can’t get our heads out of Exxons’ intestines.

FFS, hemp might finally become legal here in the States...

(We’ve been importing billions in industrial hemp from Canada for years...their heads aren’t so far up someone else’s ...it’s ridiculous)

Are you under the impression we're running out of oil? Fracking has opened up enough supply for several hundred years. We're now the world's largest producer. Of course we should develop alternatives. But a lot more than plastics involve oil.

 

[vantexan]

You made a straw man argument that we have to completely replace oil, which no one is suggesting, then declared victory in a battle only you were fighting.

Carry on.

Begging your pardon but I've seen the fanatics on the far Left call for the absolute end of oil for many years now.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Begging your pardon but I've seen the fanatics on the far Left call for the absolute end of oil for many years now.

So you are against a green new deal style program to modernize our energy infrastructure, because you think it's a huge liberal conspiracy to ban all use of oil....

Ok then.
Luckily 81 percent of people polled don't share your delusion.

 

[It will be fine]

So you are against a green new deal style program to modernize our energy infrastructure, because you think it's a huge liberal conspiracy to ban all use of oil....

Ok then.
Luckily 81 percent of people polled don't share your delusion.

“We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win.”
John friend. Kennedy

Or we could be like @vantexan and cry about how it hard it would be to dump coal and oil.

 

[vantexan]

“We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win.”
John friend. Kennedy

Or we could be like @vantexan and cry about how it hard it would be to dump coal and oil.

See, he wants to dump oil. Would love to see his business without it.

 

[Old Man Jingles]

“We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win.”
John friend. Kennedy

Or we could be like @vantexan and cry about how it hard it would be to dump coal and oil.

An example of a False Dichotomy fallacy argument.

 

[moreluck]

Shhhhh!! She wants a break !

 

[Dr.Brownz]

Agree. Parties on both sides will never get anywhere with their ideas until their related goals move beyond the "aspirational" phase. Anything short of that is just political posturing.

All the republicans really need to do is stop the democrats from doing anything insane