Off the clock questions.

[Dr.Brownz]

A couple of us always showed up early to change (we were old school and refused to wear anything other than the shirt off the clock). We'd get our boards, punch in and sit in the locker room yakking and bitching until the PCM.

Once or twice over the years, a supe would walk in to talk to one of us. Didn't turn out very well for the supe.

I always laugh inside when they try to walk into the break room before start time and talk like they are just one of the guys!

 

[no more than 9]

Im on 9.5 and over the last month my start time has been changed twice. I now start 20 min later than I used to. I have talk to my BA and he says they can do that if they want.

What's been bothering me is my ORS and center manager will stop me as I'm walking and begin to ask me questions about my numbers and other things. My question is can I refuse to talk to them until I am on the clock?

I'm usually at work about 15 - 20 min early because of dropping the kids off at school. I know some answers will be don't show up till your start time so I wanted to let that be known first.

Don't enter the building until a few minutes before your start time, problem solved.

 

[3 done 3 to go]

Unless you bid a route with a later start time and it was posted as such, this is blatant harassment. They cannot single you out and adjust your start time because you are exercising your 9.5 rights.

They tried this twice. Both drivers were told they weren't allowed to start or speak with other drivers. Started an hr after us. Lasted about a month. Everyone around those routes were way over dispatched. To make up the work pulled off from the other 2. They both punched out after 8 pm still

 

[Faceplanted]

Unless you bid a route with a later start time and it was posted as such, this is blatant harassment. They cannot single you out and adjust your start time because you are exercising your 9.5 rights.

He is exactly right. File for harassment/retaliation based on being on the 9/5 list

They tried this crap in my center, the ba ended it very fast.

Actually Had an sup who tried telling guys who got 8hr request to start at 1030am and have an air driver do their air for them.

 

[johnny_hotdog]

Seems pretty obvious to be retaliation to me which is not allowed in the contract. Especially if you are the only one whos start time has been pushed back.

 

[Bubblehead]

After finally resolving my first nine 9.5 grievances to the tune of $1,300, my start time was promptly pushed back at least 30 minutes later than every other driver in my center and I received a 3 day OJS ride.

In response, I promptly filed a harassment grievance, claiming retaliation, and continued to show up at the usual time about 20 minutes prior to my old start time of 8:50.
When the supes tried to speak to me, not only did I not answer them, I pretended that they were invisible until my new start time, unless I saw them doing bargaining unit work.
I got a clip board and began documenting these observations, as you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a supervisor working during the preload in my building.

Without exception, I promptly grieved every supervisor working scenario that I witnessed, which encompassed every minute of the 30 minute delay, plus some most days.

After about a week and a half of this, the Company "said uncle" and my start time was returned to it's original time and the grievances were paid at double time.

In addition, if some of your air stops are being dispatched to an air driver, I would grieve that also.
Art 40 gives the Company the right to use air drivers "when the regular driver cannot make service due to time commitments".
Any good BA could make the case that these stops could be, and had been delivered in the past by you, if the company hadn't engaged in this pattern of retaliation and harassment for you having opted in on the 9.5 list.

Good luck and remember, as long as your willing to accept that this is not a "9 to 5 job", and your game is tight, you can always have the last word with the Company.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Couldn't they have claimed that you were loitering?

 

[PiedmontSteward]

Couldn't they have claimed that you were loitering?

The NLRA supercedes any bull company policy.

 

[Ed O'Ryan]

After finally resolving my first nine 9.5 grievances to the tune of $1,300, my start time was promptly pushed back at least 30 minutes later than every other driver in my center and I received a 3 day OJS ride.

In response, I promptly filed a harassment grievance, claiming retaliation, and continued to show up at the usual time about 20 minutes prior to my old start time of 8:50.
When the supes tried to speak to me, not only did I not answer them, I pretended that they were invisible until my new start time, unless I saw them doing bargaining unit work.
I got a clip board and began documenting these observations, as you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a supervisor working during the preload in my building.

Without exception, I promptly grieved every supervisor working scenario that I witnessed, which encompassed every minute of the 30 minute delay, plus some most days.

After about a week and a half of this, the Company "said uncle" and my start time was returned to it's original time and the grievances were paid at double time.

In addition, if some of your air stops are being dispatched to an air driver, I would grieve that also.
Art 40 gives the Company the right to use air drivers "when the regular driver cannot make service due to time commitments".
Any good BA could make the case that these stops could be, and had been delivered in the past by you, if the company hadn't engaged in this pattern of retaliation and harassment for you having opted in on the 9.5 list.

Good luck and remember, as long as your willing to accept that this is not a "9 to 5 job", and your game is tight, you can always have the last word with the Company.

Very well said. I'm glad I read this.

 

[UniteandWin]

Article 4 supersedes any company policy, im assuming Bubblehead was acting in a steward capacity

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[BigUnionGuy]

After finally resolving my first nine 9.5 grievances to the tune of $1,300, my start time was promptly pushed back at least 30 minutes later than every other driver in my center and I received a 3 day OJS ride.

In response, I promptly filed a harassment grievance, claiming retaliation, and continued to show up at the usual time about 20 minutes prior to my old start time of 8:50.
When the supes tried to speak to me, not only did I not answer them, I pretended that they were invisible until my new start time, unless I saw them doing bargaining unit work.
I got a clip board and began documenting these observations, as you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a supervisor working during the preload in my building.

Without exception, I promptly grieved every supervisor working scenario that I witnessed, which encompassed every minute of the 30 minute delay, plus some most days.

After about a week and a half of this, the Company "said uncle" and my start time was returned to it's original time and the grievances were paid at double time.

In addition, if some of your air stops are being dispatched to an air driver, I would grieve that also.
Art 40 gives the Company the right to use air drivers "when the regular driver cannot make service due to time commitments".
Any good BA could make the case that these stops could be, and had been delivered in the past by you, if the company hadn't engaged in this pattern of retaliation and harassment for you having opted in on the 9.5 list.

Good luck and remember, as long as your willing to accept that this is not a "9 to 5 job", and your game is tight, you can always have the last word with the Company.

Drivers who have any sort of trepidation about signing the 9.5 list....

Should print out this post, carry a copy with them, and read it over and over.



-Bug-

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Drivers who have any sort of trepidation about signing the 9.5 list....

Should print out this post, carry a copy with them, and read it over and over.



-Bug-

I suspect many of them would have to google trepidation.

 

[Bubblehead]

I suspect many of them would have to google trepidation.

You should do your part to educate "your demographic" by hustling down to the men's room and scratching this big word onto the wall of your favorite stall.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

I suspect many of them would have to google trepidation.

And, I don't think (for 1 minute)

That you have the verbal acuity.... to hang with me.



-Bug-

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

And, I don't think (for 1 minute)

That you have the verbal acuity.... to hang with me.



-Bug-

Me thinks it's the other way around.

 

[Bubblehead]

And, I don't think (for 1 minute)

That you have the verbal acuity.... to hang with me.



-Bug-

Say when...

 

[Whatbrownwontdoforyou]

I understand that. I mean I wonder if someone higher up will finally get sick of the 1800 number being my centers answering machine. So far 8 people have called the 1800 number to call out sick. All because they don't want to answer the phone hoping people will just show up.

What 800 number do you call?

 

[livin the dream]

all of our 9.5 drivers start 30 minutes later than most others. I get that the sups are trying to piss them off, but it's only making their route run slower because of less wiggle rooms for air and other commits

 

[542thruNthru]

What 800 number do you call?

They are calling 1800- pick ups number. I haven't called it. We have had many in our center that have.