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No, there will also be an 82 cent cost of living adjustment on top of the 33 cent cola from last year.Is this truly what the new UPS pay will be?
No, there will also be an 82 cent cost of living adjustment on top of the 33 cent cola from last year.Is this truly what the new UPS pay will be?
No, there will also be an 82 cent cost of living adjustment on top of the 33 cent cola from last year.
Varies depending on union local, this is an example of his area, but in general all of the local pay supplements look similar depending on an area's cost of living. It IS a contract, the rates and progression times are set in stone, so this is not an exaggeration.Is this truly what the new UPS pay will be?
It’s got a camera, not that I know how to get to it.
What are you rambling about? The teamsters have always been able to organize my drivers. It would take work to organize them and we all know what teamsters think of work, so I’m not terribly concerned.
Express driver certainly would have a hard time with ups workload. Ground guys probably move a similar amount of packages. The difference is mindset. A ground guy will see a truck with 7 hours of work and find a way to get it done in 5 since he’s paid the same. A teamster will see 7 hours of work and find a way to turn it into 12 so he can make more money and hurt his employer as much as possible. Most Ground guys wouldn’t be happy putting in 12 hours.I am confused UPS Teamsters are to lazy or UPS drivers work to hard and FedEx drivers can’t handle it, which.
What’s the turnover and injury rate amongst FedEx ground drivers ? I rarely see the same one in my area for more than 1 yearExpress driver certainly would have a hard time with ups workload. Ground guys probably move a similar amount of packages. The difference is mindset. A ground guy will see a truck with 7 hours of work and find a way to get it done in 5 since he’s paid the same. A teamster will see 7 hours of work and find a way to turn it into 12 so he can make more money and hurt his employer as much as possible. Most Ground guys wouldn’t be happy putting in 12 hours.
No way I could work around people with the mindset of a teamster. There’s countless threads on the UPS side saying this exact thing, everyone over there tells each other to slow down as much as possible. Work slowly, grieve everything, blah blah. It’s what their pay system incentivizes.
I agree with that assessment. Considering with current fuel and contract rates I’m operating at a loss, my drivers organizing wouldn’t get them anything anyway.If your drivers did organize, you'd instantly get dropped by FedEx so it wouldn't get out and other contractors follow suit. You wouldn't get dropped for that reason, they would make up a different excuse so they wouldn't get busted by the Dept of Labor or NLRB.
No they don't.everyone over there tells each other to slow down as much as possible. Work slowly, grieve everything, blah blah.
But if the Teamsters had it in for you they can still crush you like a grape. And there's not a single term or condition in the FXG well, call it a contract if you want to that's binding upon FXG and you know it. They could find a hundred different excuses for termination and have temps managers and contingencies on your routes within a few hours. or they could simply do what they've done for years. Take your boxes over to the nearby operating contractor and dump them onto him and there ain't a damn thing he can do about it.I agree with that assessment. Considering with current fuel and contract rates I’m operating at a loss, my drivers organizing wouldn’t get them anything anyway.
Teamsters aren’t organizing anyone. They can’t even get half their current members to vote on a contract. They aren’t getting new workers to vote on joining. They are old, corrupt and out of touch.
They find a way by cutting corners and being unsafe. LolExpress driver certainly would have a hard time with ups workload. Ground guys probably move a similar amount of packages. The difference is mindset. A ground guy will see a truck with 7 hours of work and find a way to get it done in 5 since he’s paid the same. A teamster will see 7 hours of work and find a way to turn it into 12 so he can make more money and hurt his employer as much as possible. Most Ground guys wouldn’t be happy putting in 12 hours.
No way I could work around people with the mindset of a teamster. There’s countless threads on the UPS side saying this exact thing, everyone over there tells each other to slow down as much as possible. Work slowly, grieve everything, blah blah. It’s what their pay system incentivizes.
The teamsters can’t get half the people that pay them directly to vote yes or no on a contract. They couldn’t organize their way out of a paper bag.But if the Teamsters had it in for you they can still crush you like a grape. And there's not a single term or condition in the FXG well, call it a contract if you want to that's binding upon FXG and you know it. They could find a hundred different excuses for termination and have temps managers and contingencies on your routes within a few hours. or they could simply do what they've done for years. Take your boxes over to the nearby operating contractor and dump them onto him and there ain't a damn thing he can do about it.
Then again given that the money has long since departed FXG contracting and taking Fat Freddy and Sahib Raj's word for it ain't coming back all that's left now to the so called "Purple Promise" is the promise that it's going to get even worse.
Why don’t you go to the next local union meeting and get up on the podium and tell them what you told us. Then report back to tell us after you get out of the hospital to let us know how well that went.Express driver certainly would have a hard time with ups workload. Ground guys probably move a similar amount of packages. The difference is mindset. A ground guy will see a truck with 7 hours of work and find a way to get it done in 5 since he’s paid the same. A teamster will see 7 hours of work and find a way to turn it into 12 so he can make more money and hurt his employer as much as possible. Most Ground guys wouldn’t be happy putting in 12 hours.
No way I could work around people with the mindset of a teamster. There’s countless threads on the UPS side saying this exact thing, everyone over there tells each other to slow down as much as possible. Work slowly, grieve everything, blah blah. It’s what their pay system incentivizes.
Express driver certainly would have a hard time with ups workload. Ground guys probably move a similar amount of packages. The difference is mindset. A ground guy will see a truck with 7 hours of work and find a way to get it done in 5 since he’s paid the same. A teamster will see 7 hours of work and find a way to turn it into 12 so he can make more money and hurt his employer as much as possible. Most Ground guys wouldn’t be happy putting in 12 hours.
No way I could work around people with the mindset of a teamster. There’s countless threads on the UPS side saying this exact thing, everyone over there tells each other to slow down as much as possible. Work slowly, grieve everything, blah blah. It’s what their pay system incentivizes.
Wanna bet on that?The teamsters can’t get half the people that pay them directly to vote yes or no on a contract. They couldn’t organize their way out of a paper bag.