One More Thing to Do

Bald1der

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Is this truly what the new UPS pay will be?
Varies depending on union local, this is an example of his area, but in general all of the local pay supplements look similar depending on an area's cost of living. It IS a contract, the rates and progression times are set in stone, so this is not an exaggeration.
 

fedx

Extra Large Package
What are you rambling about? The teamsters have always been able to organize my drivers. It would take work to organize them and we all know what teamsters think of work, so I’m not terribly concerned.


If your drivers did organize, you'd instantly get dropped by FedEx so it wouldn't get out and other contractors follow suit. You wouldn't get dropped for that reason, they would make up a different excuse so they wouldn't get busted by the Dept of Labor or NLRB.
 

zeev

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I am confused UPS Teamsters are to lazy or UPS drivers work to hard and FedEx drivers can’t handle it, which.
 

MassWineGuy

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My take:

UPS drivers work harder than FX Express drivers. They earn every penny and it’s blood money.

The Teamsters are either less or more crooked, depending on the local. They did let UPS pay Saturday drivers less than weekday drivers, so who’s in bed with whom?
 

It will be fine

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I am confused UPS Teamsters are to lazy or UPS drivers work to hard and FedEx drivers can’t handle it, which.
Express driver certainly would have a hard time with ups workload. Ground guys probably move a similar amount of packages. The difference is mindset. A ground guy will see a truck with 7 hours of work and find a way to get it done in 5 since he’s paid the same. A teamster will see 7 hours of work and find a way to turn it into 12 so he can make more money and hurt his employer as much as possible. Most Ground guys wouldn’t be happy putting in 12 hours.

No way I could work around people with the mindset of a teamster. There’s countless threads on the UPS side saying this exact thing, everyone over there tells each other to slow down as much as possible. Work slowly, grieve everything, blah blah. It’s what their pay system incentivizes.
 

Shift Inhibit

He who laughs last didn't get it.
Express driver certainly would have a hard time with ups workload. Ground guys probably move a similar amount of packages. The difference is mindset. A ground guy will see a truck with 7 hours of work and find a way to get it done in 5 since he’s paid the same. A teamster will see 7 hours of work and find a way to turn it into 12 so he can make more money and hurt his employer as much as possible. Most Ground guys wouldn’t be happy putting in 12 hours.

No way I could work around people with the mindset of a teamster. There’s countless threads on the UPS side saying this exact thing, everyone over there tells each other to slow down as much as possible. Work slowly, grieve everything, blah blah. It’s what their pay system incentivizes.
What’s the turnover and injury rate amongst FedEx ground drivers ? I rarely see the same one in my area for more than 1 year
 

It will be fine

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If your drivers did organize, you'd instantly get dropped by FedEx so it wouldn't get out and other contractors follow suit. You wouldn't get dropped for that reason, they would make up a different excuse so they wouldn't get busted by the Dept of Labor or NLRB.
I agree with that assessment. Considering with current fuel and contract rates I’m operating at a loss, my drivers organizing wouldn’t get them anything anyway.

Teamsters aren’t organizing anyone. They can’t even get half their current members to vote on a contract. They aren’t getting new workers to vote on joining. They are old, corrupt and out of touch.
 

bacha29

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I agree with that assessment. Considering with current fuel and contract rates I’m operating at a loss, my drivers organizing wouldn’t get them anything anyway.

Teamsters aren’t organizing anyone. They can’t even get half their current members to vote on a contract. They aren’t getting new workers to vote on joining. They are old, corrupt and out of touch.
But if the Teamsters had it in for you they can still crush you like a grape. And there's not a single term or condition in the FXG well, call it a contract if you want to that's binding upon FXG and you know it. They could find a hundred different excuses for termination and have temps managers and contingencies on your routes within a few hours. or they could simply do what they've done for years. Take your boxes over to the nearby operating contractor and dump them onto him and there ain't a damn thing he can do about it.

Then again given that the money has long since departed FXG contracting and taking Fat Freddy and Sahib Raj's word for it ain't coming back all that's left now to the so called "Purple Promise" is the promise that it's going to get even worse.
 

MAKAVELI

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Express driver certainly would have a hard time with ups workload. Ground guys probably move a similar amount of packages. The difference is mindset. A ground guy will see a truck with 7 hours of work and find a way to get it done in 5 since he’s paid the same. A teamster will see 7 hours of work and find a way to turn it into 12 so he can make more money and hurt his employer as much as possible. Most Ground guys wouldn’t be happy putting in 12 hours.

No way I could work around people with the mindset of a teamster. There’s countless threads on the UPS side saying this exact thing, everyone over there tells each other to slow down as much as possible. Work slowly, grieve everything, blah blah. It’s what their pay system incentivizes.
They find a way by cutting corners and being unsafe. Lol
 

It will be fine

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But if the Teamsters had it in for you they can still crush you like a grape. And there's not a single term or condition in the FXG well, call it a contract if you want to that's binding upon FXG and you know it. They could find a hundred different excuses for termination and have temps managers and contingencies on your routes within a few hours. or they could simply do what they've done for years. Take your boxes over to the nearby operating contractor and dump them onto him and there ain't a damn thing he can do about it.

Then again given that the money has long since departed FXG contracting and taking Fat Freddy and Sahib Raj's word for it ain't coming back all that's left now to the so called "Purple Promise" is the promise that it's going to get even worse.
The teamsters can’t get half the people that pay them directly to vote yes or no on a contract. They couldn’t organize their way out of a paper bag.
 

Cactus

Just telling it like it is
Express driver certainly would have a hard time with ups workload. Ground guys probably move a similar amount of packages. The difference is mindset. A ground guy will see a truck with 7 hours of work and find a way to get it done in 5 since he’s paid the same. A teamster will see 7 hours of work and find a way to turn it into 12 so he can make more money and hurt his employer as much as possible. Most Ground guys wouldn’t be happy putting in 12 hours.

No way I could work around people with the mindset of a teamster. There’s countless threads on the UPS side saying this exact thing, everyone over there tells each other to slow down as much as possible. Work slowly, grieve everything, blah blah. It’s what their pay system incentivizes.
Why don’t you go to the next local union meeting and get up on the podium and tell them what you told us. Then report back to tell us after you get out of the hospital to let us know how well that went.
 

yadig

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Express driver certainly would have a hard time with ups workload. Ground guys probably move a similar amount of packages. The difference is mindset. A ground guy will see a truck with 7 hours of work and find a way to get it done in 5 since he’s paid the same. A teamster will see 7 hours of work and find a way to turn it into 12 so he can make more money and hurt his employer as much as possible. Most Ground guys wouldn’t be happy putting in 12 hours.

No way I could work around people with the mindset of a teamster. There’s countless threads on the UPS side saying this exact thing, everyone over there tells each other to slow down as much as possible. Work slowly, grieve everything, blah blah. It’s what their pay system incentivizes.
 

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