Only 5% of next car purchasers expect to buy all electric cars-Road and Track.

[oldngray]

When a guy buys a truck with a trailer hitch one his first thoughts is now I gotta get a trailer too.

 

[vantexan]

No, I'm from the sticks. I have picked tobacco by hand, and I drove commercial trucks at 15. And nobody I know hauls long. We have lots of people who will haul a heavy boat a hundred miles or two, or take their horses to the State Fair, and do lots of real work, but long haul towing of a heavy load for more than a day's journey, that's really rare. You are smaller than you think you are. I have given you the data. You're just dumb.

The vast majority of people with trailer hitches have never once used them.

I just checked RV stats and as of 2021 11.2 million households own an RV with most being a 5th wheel or travel trailer. That's just RV's. And you moved the goal posts anyways. You started saying long haul towing when I was originally saying that millions beyond RVers are towing heavy loads and need a capable truck.

 

[wilberforce15]

When a guy buys a truck with a trailer hitch one his first thoughts is now I gotta get a trailer too.

No, that's not one of the most common thoughts.

The most common thought is that he hopes he doesn't have a friend who needs a favor and expects him to use it, because he doesn't know how.

 

[wilberforce15]

I just checked RV stats and as of 2021 11.2 million households own an RV with most being a 5th wheel or travel trailer. That's just RV's. And you moved the goal posts anyways. You started saying long haul towing when I was originally saying that millions beyond RVers are towing heavy loads and need a capable truck.

I gave you the 11.2 million stat 10 pages ago, maroon. And then I explained it to you. Why are you citing my own number back to me? I literally explained this exact data, because it favors my case.

 

[vantexan]

I gave you the 11.2 million stat 10 pages ago, maroon. And then I explained it to you. Why are you citing my own number back to me? I literally explained this exact data, because it favors my case.

I recall you saying most were motorhomes. Am I wrong? And again, RV's are just part of the story. Contractors, farmers, etc routinely need trucks to haul serious weight. YOU tried to move the goal posts to bolster your argument by talking about long haul. Even so you are incorrect in saying few EVER tow more than a few hundred miles. At the end of the day you're trying to tout the Cybertruck as the best option out there because relatively few people need anything more capable and stacked up against pickups of comparable capability the Cybertruck is superior. Given the choice between it and a half ton gas pickup I'll take the half ton every time because it looks like a pickup. The Cybertruck looks like an oversized electric razor. If it won the Daytona 500 on two wheels doing figure 8's I'd still take a Ford. And Tesla has yet to actually put them into production so it's only "superior" on paper. And guess what amigo? You can call me names all day. Doesn't change the fact that you exaggerate about Tesla all the time because you're a fanboy.

 

[wilberforce15]

I recall you saying most were motorhomes. Am I wrong? And again, RV's are just part of the story. Contractors, farmers, etc routinely need trucks to haul serious weight. YOU tried to move the goal posts to bolster your argument by talking about long haul. Even so you are incorrect in say few EVER tow more than a few hundred miles. At the end of the day you're trying to tout the Cybertruck as the best option out there because relatively few people need anything more capable and stacked up against pickups of comparable capability the Cybertruck is superior. Given the choice between it and a half ton gas pickup I'll take the half ton every time because it looks like a pickup. The Cybertruck looks like an oversized electric razor. If it won the Daytona 500 on two wheels doing figure 8's I'd still take a Ford. And Tesla has yet to actually put them into production so it's only "superior" on paper. And guess what amigo? You can call me names all day. Doesn't change the fact that you exaggerate about Tesla all the time because you're a fanboy.

Weight + long haul is the only thing that matters. If it's a few hour drive, the cybertruck is plenty fine.

 

[vantexan]

Weight + long haul is the only thing that matters. If it's a few hour drive, the cybertruck is plenty fine.

If it's within its tow limit. Tow limits exist for a reason. It's not just about power and torque. It's also its frame. You can easily tear up a vehicle towing too much weight. And until Tesla puts into production and we get real world numbers this is all conjecture.

 

[wilberforce15]

If it's within its tow limit. Tow limits exist for a reason. It's not just about power and torque. It's also its frame. You can easily tear up a vehicle towing too much weight. And until Tesla puts into production and we get real world numbers this is all conjecture.

Lol

 

[vantexan]

Lol

Lol

 

[wilberforce15]

It is meant to compete in the mass market for basic friend-150 jobs and the like. It exceeds trucks in that class by every measure, but that's it's competition.

Why would they even want to capture a smaller market that would cost more to get into? This is a business.

They're even delaying production because you can make two Model 3s for the batteries in a cybertruck. There is no business reason to create a towing machine.

It will beat those it competes against. It doesn't need to do any more.

 

[Ou812fu]

It is meant to compete in the mass market for basic friend-150 jobs and the like. It exceeds trucks in that class by every measure, but that's it's competition.

Why would they even want to capture a smaller market that would cost more to get into? This is a business.

They're even delaying production because you can make two Model 3s for the batteries in a cybertruck. There is no business reason to create a towing machine.

It will beat those it competes against. It doesn't need to do any more.

It exceeds nothing in it price range. Actually falls way short.

 

[Ou812fu]

It is meant to compete in the mass market for basic friend-150 jobs and the like. It exceeds trucks in that class by every measure, but that's it's competition.

Why would they even want to capture a smaller market that would cost more to get into? This is a business.

They're even delaying production because you can make two Model 3s for the batteries in a cybertruck. There is no business reason to create a towing machine.

It will beat those it competes against. It doesn't need to do any more.

You really should keep up with current events .

Tesla Megapack caught on fire at giant battery project

A Tesla Megapack has caught on fire at a giant battery project operated by PG&E in Monterey County in California.

electrek.co

 

[wilberforce15]

It exceeds nothing in it price range. Actually falls way short.

The vast majority of pickup trucks never tow a thing, or carry anything more than Home Depot crap, groceries, and a friend's couch.

 

[vantexan]

You really should keep up with current events .

Tesla Megapack caught on fire at giant battery project

A Tesla Megapack has caught on fire at a giant battery project operated by PG&E in Monterey County in California.

electrek.co

I'm shocked.

 

[vantexan]

The vast majority of pickup trucks never tow a thing, or carry anything more than Home Depot crap, groceries, and a friend's couch.

How would you know that?

 

[wilberforce15]

How would you know that?

Because I grew up in the country, where every single house had a pickup truck (or two or three), but there were 10 houses in 10 mi.

I now live in a neighborhood of 300 houses and there are 150 pickup trucks and none of them have done anything more than Home Depot or pick up a friend's couch.

They are owned by skinny-fat little programmers who want some expression of masculinity that their wives barely allow them to have.

I spent over a decade in the ghetto, grew up in the deep country, and now I make my home in suburbia. I've lived in the South the North and the midwest. I've seen a good stretch of America and all its classes of people. This is the majority use of pickup trucks.

 

[vantexan]

Because I grew up in the country, where every single house had a pickup truck (or two or three), but there were 10 houses in 10 mi.

I now live in a neighborhood of 300 houses and there are 150 pickup trucks and none of them have done anything more than Home Depot or pick up a friend's couch.

They are owned by skinny-fat little programmers who want some expression of masculinity that their wives barely allow them to have.

I spent over a decade in the ghetto, grew up in the deep country, and now I make my home in suburbia. I've lived in the South the North and the midwest. I've seen a good stretch of America and all its classes of people. This is the majority use of pickup trucks.

Well that's some deep technical analysis there. And I've been all over the U.S. too and was doing field work at 12.

 

[wilberforce15]

Well that's some deep technical analysis there. And I've been all over the U.S. too and was doing field work at 12.

So you admit your perspective is completely skewed and narrow, while mine is diverse and representative of the whole.

Thanks.

 

[Ou812fu]

The vast majority of pickup trucks never tow a thing, or carry anything more than Home Depot crap, groceries, and a friend's couch.

Well that is something that truck you are promoting can't do..

 

[vantexan]

So you admit your perspective is completely skewed and narrow, while mine is diverse and representative of the whole.

Thanks.

Hmm, sounds like you have a misunderstanding of the English language going there.