Only 5% of next car purchasers expect to buy all electric cars-Road and Track.

[floridays]

A lot of people aren't one issue voters.

They might be fiscally conservative, while liberal on other issues.
Or they might want a strong military, and social programs.

The whole thing of putting people into a box labeled conservative and liberal just doesn't work. One size doesn't fit all.

We've got a lot of right leaning brothers here who support the union, but may not choose to vote democrat, even though they typically seem more supportive of unions.

People are kinda complicated, and typically have a nonstandard set of issues that matter to them.

Understood.
There are issues so distinct or defining where one discards their self-definition and leaves it to those who can define for themselves. There are fundamental points that define, left to the definer.
Hence rinos, repubics, republicans and conservatives. Don't run as a conservative if you aren't. Run as a rino, republican or conservative and I can deal with that.

Maybe I am more complicated than you are.

I'll consider this my second dressing down by you.

 

[vantexan]

That's because I believe he is guilty of mass murder with the trump shots but we're not talking about that.

You've already said that he's a whore for votes. I guess thats the end of our conversation. He's a whore with no integrity.

He stood up for the military even if he spent too much. He stood up for border security. He brought unemployment to record lows by creating a strong business environment. We didn't have issues like Russia slaughtering civilians under his watch. It's a big picture thing. To say he had no integrity means you aren't getting the big picture. You may not have gotten all that you wanted but a lot of people did get a lot more from him than most presidents ever deliver. And mass murder? He's guilty of pushing through the vaccines too fast. Murder implies intent. And most who got the shot did so without complications. Trump didn't create the shots and he relied on what he was told. But yes they should've done more testing.

 

[BadIdeaGuy]

Understood.
There are issues so distinct or defining where one discards their self-definition and leaves it to those who can define for themselves. There are fundamental points that define, left to the definer.
Hence rinos, repubics, republicans and conservatives. Don't run as a conservative if you aren't. Run as a rino, republican or conservative and I can deal with that.

Maybe I am more complicated than you are.

I'll consider this my second dressing down by you.

Hang on.

You're a good dude. No dressings. Down or otherwise. And I genuinely can't remember the first time, either.
There's a respect bit here that goes along with the added age and experiences you've had.

I just had a specific person in mind who is a good friend. Fiscal conservative but takes religion away from the state to a degree way further than I ever would want to see.

It's hard to put him in a box. Supports gay marriage, and the whole alphabet that comes after, but wants to balance the budget. Doesn't want to spend on social programs. Wants Christianity further out of the government. Etc...

I just genuinely wouldn't know how to classify the guy. He's either the most left conservative I know, or the most right leaning liberal.
That's why I was breaking it down on issues.

No personal judgement or attack meant.

 

[floridays]

But the thread is on EV's but since we're off on a tangent anything goes.

Understood.
Initially, the post you responded to targeted republicans, your response was to defend Trump and he wasn't named.
I agree with the initial post, it's true. No need to bring Trump into the argument.
That is my point.

 

[vantexan]

Understood.
Initially, the post you responded to targeted republicans, your response was to defend Trump and he wasn't named.
I agree with the initial post, it's true. No need to bring Trump into the argument.
That is my point.

If one says that today's Republican Party is to the left of Obama how can one not bring up Trump and his supporters in Congress and otherwise?

 

[Non liberal]

Not even close. It's like it's a theme in your life to believe that you are representative of the whole. It's not true in vehicles or politics or anything else.

It is true. Go tell a democrat to vote Republican so we can have cheap gas or stop the murdering of children. They’ll laugh in your face. What world do u live in?

 

[floridays]

Hang on.

You're a good dude. No dressings. Down or otherwise. And I genuinely can't remember the first time, either.
There's a respect bit here that goes along with the added age and experiences you've had.

I just had a specific person in mind who is a good friend. Fiscal conservative but takes religion away from the state to a degree way further than I ever would want to see.

It's hard to put him in a box. Supports gay marriage, and the whole alphabet that comes after, but wants to balance the budget. Doesn't want to spend on social programs. Wants Christianity further out of the government. Etc...

I just genuinely wouldn't know how to classify the guy. He's either the most left conservative I know, or the most right leaning liberal.
That's why I was breaking it down on issues.

No personal judgement or attack meant.

I didn't think it was an attack, it was a dressing down however.
I don't put people in a box, their actions and thoughts put them in a box that labels are then attached to.

Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on who or whom one is attempting to convince, the record of their votes or where they stand is all I have to make my personal determination and I decide my personal opinions going forth.

 

[floridays]

If one says that today's Republican Party is to the left of Obama how can one not bring up Trump and his supporters in Congress and otherwise?

I'd have to go back and read that claim. Did someone make it?
The fact is, if that point was made, Trump is not the Republican party. The Republicans as a party cease to exist if Trump leaves that moniker.

My opinion once again.

 

[vantexan]

I'd have to go back and read that claim. Did someone make it?
The fact is, if that point was made, Trump is not the Republican party. The Republicans as a party cease to exist if Trump leaves that moniker.

My opinion once again.

Wilber said it so everyone Republican since Obama is fair game to prove otherwise. And I did make the point.with Dum that Trump is no longer in power.

 

[wilberforce15]

It is true. Go tell a democrat to vote Republican so we can have cheap gas or stop the murdering of children. They’ll laugh in your face. What world do u live in?

Yes. An actual Democrat is actually on the other side of those important issues, and on the opposite sides of all of them. Elon musk is only on the opposite side of some of them. Most people are only on the opposite side of some of them. That's why they have to weigh things.

 

[wilberforce15]

I'd have to go back and read that claim. Did someone make it?
The fact is, if that point was made, Trump is not the Republican party. The Republicans as a party cease to exist if Trump leaves that moniker.

My opinion once again.

Yes, the average Republican in Congress today is more liberal than Obama as he governed. Theor spending proposals are bigger, their international roles are more interjet energetic, and they are more socially liberal on gay and trans stuff.

Barack Obama would be an average Republican right now if you just picked up his policy and brought it to today

 

[floridays]

Yes, the average Republican in Congress today is more liberal than Obama as he governed. Theor spending proposals are bigger, their international roles are more interjet energetic, and they are more socially liberal on gay and trans stuff.

Barack Obama would be an average Republican right now if you just picked up his policy and brought it to today

That's laughable.
His policy was dictated by what he knew he could successfully get passed. He governed within restraints, restraints not dictated by his party but by the opposition.

 

[wilberforce15]

That's laughable.
His policy was dictated by what he knew he could successfully get passed. He governed within restraints, restraints not dictated by his party but by the opposition

I can grant that. It's also irrelevant. Because stuff that doesn't happen is irrelevant. What happens is what is relevant.
And Obama governed to the right of current Republicans on spending and debt and gay rights and all that.

Sure, he wanted to be more commie and couldn't. That's irrelevant.

 

[floridays]

I can grant that. It's also irrelevant. Because stuff that doesn't happen is irrelevant. What happens is what is relevant.
And Obama governed to the right of current Republicans on spending and debt and gay rights and all that.

Sure, he wanted to be more commie and couldn't. That's irrelevant.

Actually it isn't, when a train is on the tracks it doesn't stop on a dime if a car is stalled on the tracks, it barrels through.
Obama came into office with the promise of fundamentally changing the country. His train and everything associated with it is tearing through cars stalled on the tracks, fact is no one can put the brakes on it now except for two slimy democrats looking to feather their beds.

 

[wilberforce15]

Actually it isn't, when a train is on the tracks it doesn't stop on a dime if a car is stalled on the tracks, it barrels through.
Obama came into office with the promise of fundamentally changing the country. His train and everything associated with it is tearing through cars stalled on the tracks, fact is no one can put the brakes on it now except for two slimy democrats looking to feather their beds.

And yet, current republicans submit bills and argue for policy that is left of where Obama governed.
And that is ALL that matters. Current Republicans govern left of President Obama.

 

[floridays]

And yet, current republicans submit bills and argue for policy that is left of where Obama governed.
And that is ALL that matters. Current Republicans govern left of President Obama.

To be honest, republicans or repubics can offer no bills, they don't have the numbers, House or Senate.
I guess we are back to my train illustration. Be not deceived, this doesn't come from Biden's head.
Obama even told (warned) us.

'Don't underestimate Joe's ability to things up,' Obama has cautioned, according to one Democrat who spoke to Politico.

I'm asking your for specifics now, prove your point, I'm all ears. The bold part, support it, disregard what I said.
Just like I never gave you my thoughts or opinion. Fight for it like you do electric vehicles.

 

[Babagounj]

EV charge points in Britain are now nearly as expensive as gasoline, research shows

RAC says the increase is down to the "soaring costs" of wholesale gas and electricity.

www.cnbc.com

 

[floridays]

EV charge points in Britain are now nearly as expensive as gasoline, research shows

RAC says the increase is down to the "soaring costs" of wholesale gas and electricity.

www.cnbc.com

Interesting.

 

[Babagounj]

Multiple driverless Cruise cars block traffic in SF

At least three driverless Cruise cars blocked traffic in multiple incidents throughout San Francisco late last week.

www.sfgate.com

Sept. 26, 12:50 p.m. At least three driverless Cruise cars were responsible for holding up traffic and reportedly blocking a bus lane in San Francisco last week, the latest in a string of incidents involving the locally headquartered self-driving car company.
A video shared on Reddit showed two of Cruise’s vehicles at a standstill Thursday evening, near the intersection of Sacramento and Leavenworth streets, with their hazard lights flashing. A Muni bus appeared to be stalled about a block behind them.

 

[floridays]

Multiple driverless Cruise cars block traffic in SF

At least three driverless Cruise cars blocked traffic in multiple incidents throughout San Francisco late last week.

www.sfgate.com

Sept. 26, 12:50 p.m. At least three driverless Cruise cars were responsible for holding up traffic and reportedly blocking a bus lane in San Francisco last week, the latest in a string of incidents involving the locally headquartered self-driving car company.
A video shared on Reddit showed two of Cruise’s vehicles at a standstill Thursday evening, near the intersection of Sacramento and Leavenworth streets, with their hazard lights flashing. A Muni bus appeared to be stalled about a block behind them.

Couldn't happen in a better place.