Again your logic is flawed. When you have more of your vehicles on the road. Plan and simple you will record more wrecks per a mile. Hell you don't have to go very far. Ups is the perfect example.
Only 5% of next car purchasers expect to buy all electric cars-Road and Track.
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wilberforce15
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No, you will have more wrecks overall. Per mile traveled makes perfect parity.
It's not per mile of road that exists. Holy cow is that what you thought?
It's per mile the vehicle travels.
FSD will be involved a deadly wreck somehow every 200 million miles that it drives. The average driver is about 1 every 90 million miles they drove.
Refer to my previous point on why it's really more than 10x+ safer.
It doesn't matter which one there is more of.
wilberforce15
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I think we have reached a breaking point. I'm going to have to say goodbye to zoboomafoo again.
More people are dying on U.S. roads, even as cars get safer. Here's why it's a tough problem to solve
The increase in fatalities stems from a combination of factors including reckless or distracted driving and record levels of vehicle performance and weight.
wilberforce15
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Yes, because the driver matters more than the car. And that's why we need an artificially intelligent driver, Which is far safer than the average human.More people are dying on U.S. roads, even as cars get safer. Here's why it's a tough problem to solve
The increase in fatalities stems from a combination of factors including reckless or distracted driving and record levels of vehicle performance and weight.www.cnbc.com
It's a good thing that already exists.
Goodbye zoboomafoo.
Your facts are always your opinion based. Man you make this easy. Those toes of yours must really taste bad..
Car Accident Statistics: Fatalities, Injuries and Top Risk Factors
There were over 5 million car accidents in the U.S. in 2020. Nearly 2.3 million people were injured in accidents, and there were 38,824 traffic-related deaths. Speeding, DUI and seat belt nonuse were the top behaviors that led to accident fatalities.
Lol. Okay upstate. I'll post the divorce papers next. Looks like the word narcissistic was used a lot. I love public documents. Facts are facts. Most of your are opinions...
wilberforce15
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I can't even imagine what point you think that link makes. I'm actually not dumb enough to understand what you're trying to say. We have tried to communicate, but the gap between us is just too big.Your facts are always your opinion based. Man you make this easy. Those toes of yours must really taste bad..
Car Accident Statistics: Fatalities, Injuries and Top Risk Factors
There were over 5 million car accidents in the U.S. in 2020. Nearly 2.3 million people were injured in accidents, and there were 38,824 traffic-related deaths. Speeding, DUI and seat belt nonuse were the top behaviors that led to accident fatalities.www.valuepenguin.com
I thought we part ways? Ta ta.
Non liberal
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It’s not surprising you would try and use data like this, typical liberal. I’m sure if you researched the “data” you would find an overwhelming majority of these accidents happen in more densely populated areas. Counting autopilot miles being driven in the more rural areas isn’t fair to the research. People are overwhelmingly better drivers, at least I am in city travel then AI. AI cannot drive in city situations because it cannot account for all the people and obstacles, it can’t read eyes or body language. Compare the data within the parameters of where it’s having the trouble. Not cherry picking the good parts.
Non liberal
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In driving years do matter. We have seasons in most of the country, and every season is different, presenting different driving scenarios. Don’t try and teach me about driving. Because you’ll lose.
wilberforce15
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You have it exactly backwards, comrade. Most accidents take place in densely populated areas, yes.
But if you're smart, you realize that all the ones that matter in this statistic, namely the ones that involve fatalities, require higher speeds and usually happen on highways or interstates or other places where there is high speed.
We are not talking about accidents. We are talking about fatal accidents.
wilberforce15
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If I know the conditions, I will choose the computer over you every time and so would every sane person. Or at least anyone who knows the data. If you do not know the conditions, the human is still superior. Does this make you feel better?
wilberforce15
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It is learning in every major Metro right now. People are using it in every major Metro right now. It is not a fault in the system whenever the human has to take over. That gets sent for analysis and it learns. It is already pretty good. The learning curve gets faster and faster every day. Every additional Tesla on the road means an additional step in the speed of learning.
wilberforce15
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Tough stuff. Whatever test you want to call difficult, this has to qualify.
FSD is a beast of a puppy with big paws, and is clumsy. That means look out in the future.
Non liberal
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If it’s snowing, the computer cannot drive, period. This is well known and accepted, im not making it up. Also driving on an interstate in Nebraska and s not like driving in New York City. Also well known, AI does not, will not work in a city location. Just like your evs, if it can’t do EVERYTHING that a human can do, it is not superior or safer.
wilberforce15
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I know you're not making it up about snow. I never said you were making it up about snow. You brought up snow with no context whatsoever. I understand you want to skip to the hardest problem to solve, because that's about all there is left. But it's really rather pathetic. The computer is already better than you at most things.
wilberforce15
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why on Earth would self-driving not work in a city location?
It already does a decent job, and it is a baby.
It already does a decent job, and it is a baby.
wilberforce15
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It is a hard problem, but it is absolutely solvable. Even with no lines on a dirt road, and covered with snow. There are other ways to navigate, and you just have no context for how fast this thing can learn. It has better vision than you in all directions, and it is going to run into a lifetime of experiences every day.
I find it silly to say this problem cannot be solved.
wilberforce15
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Tesla’s Biggest News At AI Day Was The Dojo Supercomputer, Not The Optimus Robot
Tesla's Dojo supercomputing technology promises to accelerate the development of self-driving cars by an order of magnitude, and it will start coming online early in 2023.
www.google.com
It is the world's greatest learning machine. There has never been anything like it. You say driving in a city is impossible, and I showed you two videos of it driving through cities. It can drive just fine on dirt roads covered in snow. It is not a great stretch to learn how not to run into other things. It doesn't need to see the lines.
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