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[wilberforce15]

NPR had a recent story on AI and trucking. This is remarkable because the reporter actually stated that AI was nowhere near actually being capable of self-driving vehicles. There wasn't much speculation on when this would occur...

The story focused on AI(actually cameras on the driver). Focusing on fatigue and "mgt." of the driver. Stressing "safety".

The story went on to address how many truckers get into the business to get away from micro-mgt. and oversight. Pay was also addressed.

I recently asked several folks if they would use a self-driving taxi or even a self-flying plane(keeping in mind these were fellow A&P mechanics)....all said ...no.

I drive to work every day without touching the wheel, through country roads and city streets and a highway.

Self-driving technology isn't just close; It is already better than you.

 

[wilberforce15]

Self-driving 18-wheelers are already handling complete routes and making deliveries. What we have here is a boomer who tried to read NPR and they were both wrong about everything.

Human supervisors are on board for legal liability reasons. But the truckss complete the routes on their own. And they do it more safely than a circle of honor driver.

Currently. Meaning right now. Meaning not speculation.

 

[vantexan]

Self-driving 18-wheelers are already handling complete routes and making deliveries. What we have here is a boomer who tried to read NPR and they were both wrong about everything.

Human supervisors are on board for legal liability reasons. But the truckss complete the routes on their own. And they do it more safely than a circle of honor driver.

Currently. Meaning right now. Meaning not speculation.

Where's this happening? Diesel powered or electric?

 

[qdg2]

Self-driving 18-wheelers are already handling complete routes and making deliveries. What we have here is a boomer who tried to read NPR and they were both wrong about everything.

Human supervisors are on board for legal liability reasons. But the truckss complete the routes on their own. And they do it more safely than a circle of honor driver.

Currently. Meaning right now. Meaning not speculation.

"Companies like Kodiak know the technology is a long way from the moment trucks can drive on their own".

This from the New York Times: "The Long Road to Driverless Trucks".

And human supervisors....are there to grab the wheel when AI fails. The article says as much. Simply a fact. That you so often if not conveniently don't admit. Meaning right now. Meaning not speculation....that AI self-driving trucks are not and are a long way from any meaningful deployment. It is a matter of time before there is a disaster from one of these trucks(AI).

Wrong about everything?

Really?

You're blindingly, slavish devotion to the cause doesn't mesh with reality. Except in small and tightly controlled situations. Yes.....small and tightly controlled. Yes, exceptional......the exception. Not normal. A long way from anywhere near ready....see above.

 

[vantexan]

Where's this happening? Diesel powered or electric?

A quick Google search says yes, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to human powered vehicles. Long way to go yet.

 

[qdg2]

Where's this happening? Diesel powered or electric?

What do you mean by "happening"? Does it matter? Point is: It's not really happening. Not without human intervention in so many ways. The point is intellectually dishonest.

 

[vantexan]

What do you mean by "happening"?. Does it matter? Point is: It's not really happening. Not without human intervention in so many ways. The point is intellectually dishonest.

Can I not ask him a question?

 

[wilberforce15]

"Companies like Kodiak know the technology is a long way from the moment trucks can drive on their own".

This from the New York Times: "The Long Road to Driverless Trucks".

And human supervisors....are there to grab the wheel when AI fails. The article says as much. Simply a fact. That you so often if not conveniently don't admit. Meaning right now. Meaning not speculation....that AI self-driving trucks are not and are a long way from any meaningful deployment. It is a matter of time before there is a disaster from one of these trucks(AI).

Wrong about everything?

Really?

You're blindingly, slavish devotion to the cause doesn't mesh with reality. Except in small and tightly controlled situations. Yes.....small and tightly controlled. Yes, exceptional......the exception. Not normal. A long way from anywhere near ready....see above.

I have no devotion to the cause. I have devotion to facts. And I drive to and from work every day without touching the wheel. These routes are completed without intervention the vast majority of the time. And half the time the human intervenes, the human is the one that's wrong. But for liability reasons, and for continuing to train the AI, the human rides along.

You can go Coast to Coast right now, and the only thing you would need is a human to put the plug into the plug holes at the charging stations. And it has a lower accident rate than a circle of honor driver.

Kodiak is light years behind Tesla. No one matters but Tesla. No one is even close.

 

[wilberforce15]

What do you mean by "happening"?. Does it matter? Point is: It's not really happening. Not without human intervention in so many ways. The point is intellectually dishonest.

The vast majority of trips are complete without human intervention, and most human intervention is because they are scared or wrong.

 

[wilberforce15]

Where's this happening? Diesel powered or electric?

Both. But most of them are diesel. And most of them are not Tesla.

The Teslas are just starting, and are much better.

 

[qdg2]

I drive to work every day without touching the wheel, through country roads and city streets and a highway.

Self-driving technology isn't just close; It is already better than you.

Disingenuous...at best.

 

[wilberforce15]

Disingenuous...at best.

I have already proven it, in this very thread. Tesla's self-driving autonomous accident rate is lower than a circle of honor driver's. And it's not close.

Tesla's AI gets a circle of honor award every single day.

 

[qdg2]

Can I not ask him a question?

Ask away. My comment 100% towards him.

 

[vantexan]

What do you mean by "happening"?. Does it matter? Point is: It's not really happening. Not without human intervention in so many ways. The point is intellectually dishonest.

Let's be honest about it. It's a new paradigm. It's not going to happen overnight but to say they won't be able to make this happen is overly hopeful. This isn't about nerds playing computer games. There's a huge amount of money at stake eliminating the need for drivers not to mention the difficulty trucking companies have in finding enough drivers. The biggest issue will be all the drivers who will be displaced if this technology can be perfected.

 

[wilberforce15]

Let's be honest about it. It's a new paradigm. It's not going to happen overnight but to say they won't be able to make this happen is overly hopeful. This isn't about nerds playing computer games. There's a huge amount of money at stake eliminating the need for drivers not to mention the difficulty trucking companies have in finding enough drivers. The biggest issue will be all the drivers who will be displaced if this technology can be perfected.

It is already better than 100% of human drivers.

But I don't expect it to dominate roadways for two decades. The law moves more slowly than technology.

 

[qdg2]

I have already proven it, in this very thread. Tesla's self-driving autonomous accident rate is lower than a circle of honor driver's. And it's not close.

Tesla's AI gets a circle of honor award every single day.

Ok.

"Nothing from nothing leaves nothing"-Billy Preston.

 

[vantexan]

It is already better than 100% of human drivers.

But I don't expect it to dominate roadways for two decades. The law moves more slowly than technology.

I wouldn't be shocked if lanes dedicated to autonomous trucks are built on interstates just to alleviate public concerns.

 

[wilberforce15]

Ok.

"Nothing from nothing leaves nothing"-Billy Preston.

A Circle of Honor guy might make it 1-3 million miles between accidents. That's a career, depending on package or feeder.

Tesla's AI accident rate is in hundreds of millions of miles.

50 circle of honor careers in a row without accidents.

 

[wilberforce15]

I wouldn't be shocked if lanes dedicated to autonomous trucks are built on interstates just to alleviate public concerns.

Public concerns can have all sorts of costly and stupid outcomes. That might be one.

Humans kill 40,000 people on our roadways. Heaven forbid if a computer kills one.

 

[qdg2]

Let's be honest about it. It's a new paradigm. It's not going to happen overnight but to say they won't be able to make this happen is overly hopeful. This isn't about nerds playing computer games. There's a huge amount of money at stake eliminating the need for drivers not to mention the difficulty trucking companies have in finding enough drivers. The biggest issue will be all the drivers who will be displaced if this technology can be perfected.

The biggest issue will be making it viable. Imagine for a moment.......these trucks negotiating a UPS yard/Hub....

Downtown at rush hour.....or any other scenario. We don't have self aware AI.

If these trucks can't drive/unload/ eliminate people....they aren't viable.

Imagine the amounts of space and costs that will be needed for these vehicles to have their own separate paths to keep them away from people and property. Or the sacrifice the public will have to make. Akin to trailers on flatcars really.