i think we should end this one by all agreeing that the problem with being "over allowed" is due to the fact that IE's number SUCK! LOL. They live in a fantasy world where the routes are loaded perfectly stop for stop, weather and driving conditions are perfect, packages fit perfectly in the package cars, and pre-loaders show up every day and load perfectly every day. Sure there are dead beat drivers but I hear the average and the supposed "stud" drivers talk and they say the same thing. Driver attitudes are blamed allot but the attitude that it's always the driver's fault is in itself a bad attitude. Everyone just needs to except the real probem and that problem is IE.