POLL: With the details of the Tentative Agreement out, What is your vote?
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Its a NO here in SoCal!(please post where you are,so WE can get a feel how each region is feeling)
There is no reason why we are being offered LESS! UPS did not make LESS! They've been able to pay for whats being taking away,and still make $$$$! Don't settle for LESS!
There is no reason why we are being offered LESS! UPS did not make LESS! They've been able to pay for whats being taking away,and still make $$$$! Don't settle for LESS!
Disgruntled employee
Active Member
What happens if a certain supplement passes but the master fails?
UPS Preloader
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Equally important to getting the word out to motivate the PT's to vote. The PT's need to work on the FT's and sway some votes especially here in New England where I feel the general consensus of the FT's is to vote yes on national contract.
We are just a pawn in a chess game!
1BROWNWRENCH
Amatuer Malthusian
"Mongo just pawn in big game of life."
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Some interesting Vote No articles:
Rank-and-file Teamsters say: “Vote no on UPS contract” | Fight Back!
Rank-and-file Teamsters say: “Vote no on UPS contract” | Opinion - Liberal
Rank-and-file Teamsters say: “Vote no on UPS contract” | Fight Back!
Rank-and-file Teamsters say: “Vote no on UPS contract” | Opinion - Liberal
UPS Preloader
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Did UPS “Pants” the Teamsters?
Host of CNBC’s “Mad Money” Says Brown “Pummeled” The Teamsters
Jim Cramer, the host of CNBC’s Mad Money, went off on our new contract at UPS, telling viewers that the company “pantsed” and “pummeled” the Teamsters and that “Jimmy Hoffa must be rolling over in his Giants Stadium grave.”
Cramer cited the contract as one of the major reasons that UPS is a good bet to deliver higher profits over the rest of the year. Cramer said the contract will save UPS $640 million over the next five years by allowing UPS to pay new drivers less than the top rate.
Cramer called the giveback “a classic example of a union hosing over people who aren’t members yet.”
We don’t know how he calculated the $640 million. But we do know of other huge money-makers for the company in the contract.
By the fifth year of this contract, elimination of the full-time job creation clause in this contract will save approximately $480 million per year for UPS, every year. The union gave away the language in Article 22.3 that required UPS to create 10,000 new full-time combo jobs over the life of the contract.
Splitting 43,000 workers out of the Central States Pension Plan was the single most valuable concession UPS management got from the union. The savings will be many billions over the years—far more than the $6.3 billion the company paid to pull out of Central States.
No wonder UPS management bragged to the Wall Street Journal on July 23 about the big savings the company will get in the new contract
CNBC’s Cramer agrees: “I can’t overemphasize the importance of this contract to UPS. Personally, I love unions. But professionally I love companies that have crushed unions. And UPS, you know what they just did: They pantsed the Teamsters!”
Host of CNBC’s “Mad Money” Says Brown “Pummeled” The Teamsters
Jim Cramer, the host of CNBC’s Mad Money, went off on our new contract at UPS, telling viewers that the company “pantsed” and “pummeled” the Teamsters and that “Jimmy Hoffa must be rolling over in his Giants Stadium grave.”
Cramer cited the contract as one of the major reasons that UPS is a good bet to deliver higher profits over the rest of the year. Cramer said the contract will save UPS $640 million over the next five years by allowing UPS to pay new drivers less than the top rate.
Cramer called the giveback “a classic example of a union hosing over people who aren’t members yet.”
We don’t know how he calculated the $640 million. But we do know of other huge money-makers for the company in the contract.
By the fifth year of this contract, elimination of the full-time job creation clause in this contract will save approximately $480 million per year for UPS, every year. The union gave away the language in Article 22.3 that required UPS to create 10,000 new full-time combo jobs over the life of the contract.
Splitting 43,000 workers out of the Central States Pension Plan was the single most valuable concession UPS management got from the union. The savings will be many billions over the years—far more than the $6.3 billion the company paid to pull out of Central States.
No wonder UPS management bragged to the Wall Street Journal on July 23 about the big savings the company will get in the new contract
CNBC’s Cramer agrees: “I can’t overemphasize the importance of this contract to UPS. Personally, I love unions. But professionally I love companies that have crushed unions. And UPS, you know what they just did: They pantsed the Teamsters!”
No on both!!!!
Tentative Local Supplement(Local 804)
Potential outcomes to voting yes:
Direct hit to income:
• one VCD hired per driver out on vacation as per supplement could leave VCD drivers with no route if split/cover drivers fill all spots. If that happens what could the company do? Maybe remove work from routes to create splits for the VCD to do. Which can potentially take OT from full time package drivers
• although you may receive your much desired summer vacation, the potential loss in OT will directly impact your income. Making the summer vacation week less desirable.
"Recommended" Pension Increase:
• Upon ratification the pension increase is only a "recommendation", not a guarantee. We cannot vote yes just to hope that this proposal will pass. Hope is not a plan.
Tentative Local Supplement(Local 804)
Potential outcomes to voting yes:
Direct hit to income:
• one VCD hired per driver out on vacation as per supplement could leave VCD drivers with no route if split/cover drivers fill all spots. If that happens what could the company do? Maybe remove work from routes to create splits for the VCD to do. Which can potentially take OT from full time package drivers
• although you may receive your much desired summer vacation, the potential loss in OT will directly impact your income. Making the summer vacation week less desirable.
"Recommended" Pension Increase:
• Upon ratification the pension increase is only a "recommendation", not a guarantee. We cannot vote yes just to hope that this proposal will pass. Hope is not a plan.
brownmonster
Man of Great Wisdom
I believe this was describing the last contract. Thanks though.
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No
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Potential outcomes to voting yes:
Direct hit to income:
• one VCD hired per driver out on vacation as per supplement could leave VCD drivers with no route if split/cover drivers fill all spots. If that happens what could the company do? Maybe remove work from routes to create splits for the VCD to do. Which can potentially take OT from full time package drivers
If your center is like ours you have a limited number of package cars so this may be a moot point; however, if there were enough package cars, why wouldn't you want your dispatch lowered, especially in the summer? VCD's are hired knowing that they do not have a daily guarantee and that they may/may not work on any given day. It is part of the deal. Your center team will not under dispatch you just to create routes for the lower-paid VCD's.
• although you may receive your much desired summer vacation, the potential loss in OT will directly impact your income. Making the summer vacation week less desirable.
I am on vacation this week. I always make more when I am on vacation than I do when I am working. Budget based on 40 hours----treat the OT as gravy.
"Recommended" Pension Increase:
• Upon ratification the pension increase is only a "recommendation", not a guarantee. We cannot vote yes just to hope that this proposal will pass. Hope is not a plan.
You are right---hope is not a plan and anyone voting "yes" solely for the possible pension increase needs to rethink their position.
Direct hit to income:
• one VCD hired per driver out on vacation as per supplement could leave VCD drivers with no route if split/cover drivers fill all spots. If that happens what could the company do? Maybe remove work from routes to create splits for the VCD to do. Which can potentially take OT from full time package drivers
If your center is like ours you have a limited number of package cars so this may be a moot point; however, if there were enough package cars, why wouldn't you want your dispatch lowered, especially in the summer? VCD's are hired knowing that they do not have a daily guarantee and that they may/may not work on any given day. It is part of the deal. Your center team will not under dispatch you just to create routes for the lower-paid VCD's.
• although you may receive your much desired summer vacation, the potential loss in OT will directly impact your income. Making the summer vacation week less desirable.
I am on vacation this week. I always make more when I am on vacation than I do when I am working. Budget based on 40 hours----treat the OT as gravy.
"Recommended" Pension Increase:
• Upon ratification the pension increase is only a "recommendation", not a guarantee. We cannot vote yes just to hope that this proposal will pass. Hope is not a plan.
You are right---hope is not a plan and anyone voting "yes" solely for the possible pension increase needs to rethink their position.
To answer the original post........If 705 comes to me with this same b.s. offer, it's getting a big fat NO from me.
Needs to be $4.00 over 5 years, no splits and a catch up raise for part-timers.
I want the same insurance I have to remain in effect.
I will accept any of the other givebacks, but not these.
Peace.
Needs to be $4.00 over 5 years, no splits and a catch up raise for part-timers.
I want the same insurance I have to remain in effect.
I will accept any of the other givebacks, but not these.
Peace.
Coldworld
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Nothing to see in this post everybody... typical BS... move along, move along....
Coldworld
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It came up as a suggested thread... shut it down then...I couldn’t give a rats ass
Lol. Lighten up. Just playin’
Coldworld
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I know..I know...
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