Prayers for Birmingham facility

[upsbeernut]

I don't see any basis to find UPS negligent. He snuck in the back way and bypassed any security present. It wouldn't be reasonable for UPS to be expected to be ready for that situation.

I Didn't know that thank you oldngray I was wondering why they didn't take his id so he couldn't get back in without permission . Ive seen employees get escorted out the day of the firing so nothing escalates .

 

[barnyard]

I find it very frustrating that some people justify the shooting because the shooter was "pushed too hard."

There is no work situation where killing one's coworker is the appropriate answer. Ever.

 

[wayfair]

I find it very frustrating that some people justify the shooting because the shooter was "pushed too hard."

There is no work situation where killing one's coworker is the appropriate answer. Ever.

well, it wasn't over a customer concern... "badda bing"

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I don't see any basis to find UPS negligent. He snuck in the back way and bypassed any security present. It wouldn't be reasonable for UPS to be expected to be ready for that situation.

Security Is a joke,at best. they are not there,for our protection. only the protection of packages.

Any 2 bit crook could get inside. Open gates,doors or a sleeping 70 year old, or 300 lb guards.

What a in joke!!1

 

[upschuck]

I find it very frustrating that some people justify the shooting because the shooter was "pushed too hard."

There is no work situation where killing one's coworker is the appropriate answer. Ever.

I don't think that anyone is trying to justify the shooting, for that would not be possible, but I think they are trying to understand what may have caused this former employee to do what he did.

 

[Returntosender]

I don't see any basis to find UPS negligent. He snuck in the back way and bypassed any security present. It wouldn't be reasonable for UPS to be expected to be ready for that situation.

UPS will try and place blame on the security company they hired to watch the facility.

Snuck in the back way. UPS has prior knowledge of that entry point, and they choose not to place security at that point its on UPS. The security company has to prove UPS instructed them not to post guards at the back gate.

My hub has multiple entry points. Only one point has a guard shack. The other entrance point is a vehicle gates, used for feeders, package cars. Employees not driving vehicles are instructed to pass through the guard shack. In the past a employee brought up how come the other gate is not manned by security. Management said, no money in the budget to hire a guard at that post.

IMO
ATL will fire the LP in charge of the facility. The district LP will be demoted to a facility LP. They won't be no 30/60/90 for LP in charge for this incident.

 

[upsman68]

I find it very frustrating that some people justify the shooting because the shooter was "pushed too hard."

There is no work situation where killing one's coworker is the appropriate answer. Ever.

Thank you Dr. Phil.


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[Catatonic]

Read the link from BB58.....one of the two murdered sups was warned about it.....this could have possibly been prevented by finding the guy some help......blaming it solely on the murderer is Bunk

Every time I read one of your posts, I feel better about myself.

Feeling good!

 

[Catatonic]

Thank you Dr. Phil.


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[rod]

I imagine most people avoid you with your bad breath and BO or was it something you said?

Is that how come you were kept in a cubicle all those years? Bad breath & BO?

 

[10 point]

I don't see any basis to find UPS negligent. He snuck in the back way and bypassed any security present. It wouldn't be reasonable for UPS to be expected to be ready for that situation.

Maybe telematics (electronic monitoring) is more important to the company in monitoring their workforce driving habits than gate security.

Our building rear doors are unlocked and overhead door open during the day until the local sort is done (in good weather).

Israelis got it figured out.
Expecting the unexpected?
The "unexpected" category is changing quickly.
We learn way too slowly.
Often, by pain.

 

[bleedinbrown58]

What would be the basis of your lawsuit?

Negligence...what is the point of any facility (including the one where the shooting occurred) of hiring security to prevent unauthorIzed access to the building....when apparently anyone can waltz right in? He didn't force his way in thru the Customer counter...he drove into the yard and walked in.

If some lunatic sneaks into a unlocked door of a school....enters a classroom and shoots someone's child, would you blame the school's lack of security? Or would you say there was nothing anyone could do to prevent this?

 

[joeboodog]

If someone is determined to cause harm, no amount of security will stop them. Just look at the guy that jumped the fence at the White House. That is one of the most secure places in the world. In order to make UPS facilities completely secure are we ready to accept strip searches and pat downs in order to report for work? Let's all take andeep breathe. Mourn for the dead, pray for their families, and hug our families.

 

[Catatonic]

If someone is determined to cause harm, no amount of security will stop them. Just look at the guy that jumped the fence at the White House. That is one of the most secure places in the world. In order to make UPS facilities completely secure are we ready to accept strip searches and pat downs in order to report for work? Let's all take a deep breathe. Mourn for the dead, pray for their families, and hug our families.

Not to mention that UPSers already complain about the current level of security measures as evidenced by posts here on the Brown Cafe.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Not to mention that UPSers already complain about the current level of security measures as evidenced by posts here on the Brown Cafe.

They are referring to,exit the building. Getting wanded and searched,like you are a criminal.

 

[10 point]

If someone is determined to cause harm, no amount of security will stop them. Just look at the guy that jumped the fence at the White House. That is one of the most secure places in the world. In order to make UPS facilities completely secure are we ready to accept strip searches and pat downs in order to report for work? Let's all take andeep breathe. Mourn for the dead, pray for their families, and hug our families.

The issue is Why he came in. Not how.

Where there's a will there's a way.

And everyone has a home address too.

It goes back to why this father and husband snapped and gave up.

 

[10 point]

Say what we will but every employee that I talked to about it when the news was breaking but no details were given about the victims yet said "I bet they were supervisors that were shot".

I'm not validating his actions... but the same guess from every hourly?

Someone needs to take a hard look at our common thread in the work place.

On both sides of the fence.

 

[OPTION3]

They are referring to,exit the building. Getting wanded and searched,like you are a criminal.

But in my building, management has a separate entrance.......no wanding /search..in or out.......negligent? Management would say no....That mentality is partly why this happened

 

[upschuck]

But in my building, management has a separate entrance.......no wanding /search..in or out.......negligent? Management would say no....That mentality is partly why this happened

We've had several mgmt. people fired for theft in my time at UPS.

 

[soberups]

Not to mention that UPSers already complain about the current level of security measures as evidenced by posts here on the Brown Cafe.

I can accept being delayed and inconvenienced by legitimate security procedures.

What I can NOT accept...is having my time wasted by MAKE BELIEVE security procedures.

A minimum-wage unarmed guard sitting in a booth and ignoring the continous beeping of a malfunctioning metal detector is not security...it is a joke. And I dont find it funny or take it seriously.

Either do it right or dont do it at all. Unarmed security...isnt.