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El Correcto

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im not sure the last time america was better off because of a politician. maybe FDR? maybe after that. definitely before reagan. FDR only carried out the new deal because america almost had a communist / socialist / union revolution. he was very clear that they "had to make him do it". he also said his greatest achievement was that he "saved capitalism" and he did by passing reforms which is what we have to do again today if people want capitalism to even exist long term.
Oh Ricky is a big fan of the president that praised Joseph Stalin and was the closest we have come to a dictator. I’m absolutely shocked.
 

rickyb

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Oh Ricky is a big fan of the president that praised Joseph Stalin and was the closest we have come to a dictator. I’m absolutely shocked.
US presidents always praise dictators that US is allied with.

trump didnt praise dueterte, the egyptian dictator, or saudi dictators?

FDR was teh most popular president ever as he was in office for 12 years.
 

Box Ox

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youre wrong thats a fact

Stop projecting.

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El Correcto

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why was he a tyrant because he passed the new deal?
Yes. FDR was elected during a horrible time, after WW1 during the Great Depression with Europe radicalizing and the american people wanting nothing to do with another world war. It was a time when fascism and communism(the most extreme forms of authoritarian government) were really hitting their stride and influencing governments around the world.

FDR is the god father of the modern day military industrial complex, he undermined the checks and balances placed on the executive branch, he took America’s federal government down a more authoritarian pathway influenced heavily by the politics if the era around the world.

I don’t like FDR for that reason alone; I don’t like communism, I don’t like fascism, I don’t like the governments of the 30’s and 40’s. I like limited small government, there to ensure your individual rights are not trampled. Not authoritarian garbage masquerading around as patriotism and altruism.
 

vantexan

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Yes. FDR was elected during a horrible time, after WW1 during the Great Depression with Europe radicalizing and the american people wanting nothing to do with another world war. It was a time when fascism and communism(the most extreme forms of authoritarian government) were really hitting their stride and influencing governments around the world.

FDR is the god father of the modern day military industrial complex, he undermined the checks and balances placed on the executive branch, he took America’s federal government down a more authoritarian pathway influenced heavily by the politics if the era around the world.

I don’t like FDR for that reason alone; I don’t like communism, I don’t like fascism, I don’t like the governments of the 30’s and 40’s. I like limited small government, there to ensure your individual rights are not trampled. Not authoritarian garbage masquerading around as patriotism and altruism.
As well as the Japanese-American internment throughout the war.
 

rickyb

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Yes. FDR was elected during a horrible time, after WW1 during the Great Depression with Europe radicalizing and the american people wanting nothing to do with another world war. It was a time when fascism and communism(the most extreme forms of authoritarian government) were really hitting their stride and influencing governments around the world.

FDR is the god father of the modern day military industrial complex, he undermined the checks and balances placed on the executive branch, he took America’s federal government down a more authoritarian pathway influenced heavily by the politics if the era around the world.

I don’t like FDR for that reason alone; I don’t like communism, I don’t like fascism, I don’t like the governments of the 30’s and 40’s. I like limited small government, there to ensure your individual rights are not trampled. Not authoritarian garbage masquerading around as patriotism and altruism.
never heard what FDR had to do with the military industrial complex. it probably had a boom period during wwII.
 

El Correcto

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never heard what FDR had to do with the military industrial complex. it probably had a boom period during wwII.
World war 2 was when it really went into full effect with the lesson of WW1. Entire societies were focused on a war effort. It was a slug fest to the death between all the western powers of the world.
 

El Correcto

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It’s fine to like FDR and respect him for getting America through some of its darkest days. But viewing his total war presidency and authoritarianism as a good way to govern makes me sick. It should be looked back on a necessary evil we should stay away from at all cost, not a new normal for America.

Like Lincoln, he did a great job and kept the union intact, but we wouldn’t want every president to govern in that manner while not facing catastrophe. It was the lesser of two evils.

It makes me sick to see people proposing New Deals and urging us back into an authoritarian WW2 governance mind set. Looking back fondly at that radical time.
 

rickyb

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It’s fine to like FDR and respect him for getting America through some of its darkest days. But viewing his total war presidency and authoritarianism as a good way to govern makes me sick. It should be looked back on a necessary evil we should stay away from at all cost, not a new normal for America.

Like Lincoln, he did a great job and kept the union intact, but we wouldn’t want every president to govern in that manner while not facing catastrophe. It was the lesser of two evils.

It makes me sick to see people proposing New Deals and urging us back into an authoritarian WW2 governance mind set. Looking back fondly at that radical time.
i dont see how federal regulation is authoritarianism.

also, it would be interesting how FDR supposed tyranny compares to modern presidents starting with W bush.
 

El Correcto

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i dont see how federal regulation is authoritarianism.

also, it would be interesting how FDR supposed tyranny compares to modern presidents starting with W bush.
The new deal was much more than regulations.
It was viewed as redefining the social contract between Americans and the federal government. It was a bold new way of governing influenced by the authoritarian poison seeping into liberalism in Europe at the time.
 

rickyb

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The new deal was much more than regulations.
It was viewed as redefining the social contract between Americans and the federal government. It was a bold new way of governing influenced by the authoritarian poison seeping into liberalism in Europe at the time.
i thought americas safety net was way behind the europeans which also holds true today
 

PT Car Washer

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I’m still voting Trump. America is in another dark time facing down radicals redefining liberalism.
Good luck voting. You must be 18 to vote in Novembers election. Just because you have your drivers license learner permit does not make you eligible. You will have to wait another 4 years.
 

El Correcto

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i thought americas safety net was way behind the europeans which also holds true today
I have no problem with the modern day socialist people who really want to do good and help people. The power you grant that kind of government is problem I have. It is short sighted trying to address the problems of the day, not addressing fundamental truths of man and prioritizing individual rights for its citizens.

Even if you found the most benevolent dictator imaginable to over see absolute power given to government to enact the will of the people, that guy isn’t going to be around forever. How long will it take for that system to fail? America has the oldest constitution in the world.
 
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