MAKAVELI
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Wrong. It was already federal land. Try again.
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floridays
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Wrong, it was expanded under Obama.
floridays
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Really?
President Barack Obama created the Bears Ears National Monument today, protecting 1.35 million acres of land in southeast Utah. The region is rich in culturally significant sites for Native tribes that have lived there for generations. Today’s proclamation also created the Bears Ears Commission to ensure that Tribal Nations have a say in how the land is managed.
It’s a controversial move in President Obama’s last month in office: supporters praise the president for protecting lands and artifacts sacred to Native peoples. But opponents arguethat the act was high-handed and prevents people in a poor region from taking advantage of the area’s natural resources. Republicans have vowed to fight it; Utah Senator Mike Lee tweeted that he will work tirelessly to undo the president’s act.
The president has the power to create national monuments under the federal Antiquities Act of 1906, which he invoked today to create the Bears Ears National Monument and the Gold Butte National Monument — more than 300,000 acres in northern Nevada. Both of these are massive, compared to nearby national parks: Zion National Park is about 150,000 acres, and Arches National Park is approximately 76,000 acres, according to the Deseret News. These two new national monuments bring the number created by President Obama up to 29, totaling 553 million acres of land and water, according to The Washington Post.
It will be fine
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Did Trump have a mini stroke at the end of his press conference today? Slurred his words noticeably, maybe the stress is getting to him.
Sportello
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Can you please link the source of your non attributed post?
Even a disbarred lawyer should attribute his copy and paste, and realize that a National Monument is not the same as a National Park.
Sportello
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No, he’s spending our money golfing. smh
floridays
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/www.theverge.com/2016/12/28/14108232/obama-national-monuments-utah-nevada-native-tribes-controversy
Obama Designates Two New National Monuments In Nevada And Utah
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/12/obamas-
environmental-legacy-in-two-buttes/511889/
Satisfactory I hope.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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I can't imagine Amnesty International being on that list.
MAKAVELI
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Again, this was federal land already. No land grab.
It was Federal land that allowed with permits grazing or mining and other endeavors. The monument took that away and made making a living in the area much more difficult. Might not mean anything to city dwellers but there are people struggling in rural areas to survive and creating monuments like this is showing more concern for environmentalists who want pristine conditions to hike in than for locals.
oldngray
nowhere special
Preservation where only the few liberal approved people can use the land (nobody else but them allowed) instead of conservation that allows use but also takes care of the land.
Similar to the policies in California that created land that easily burns because of poor management.
moreluck
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There's a difference between Owned & Controlled!!
floridays
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Believe whatever you choose, facts haven't gotten in the way of your thinking before and it won't stop now.
I will agree it is a case of legal designation, which barred the use of the land. Ownership of the land with use and enjoyment conveyed isn't the same as forbidden access and strictly controlled usage. If you have a mortgage, "your house" is not yours, the same with a car note, but you do have rights of use and enjoyment of another's property. The state's and citizens lost the opportunity for all rights or privileges with the monument regulation.
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Sportello
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Obama's Environmental Legacy, in Two Buttes
First, in protecting the land, the president extended federal protection to a beautiful and biodiverse part of the country while also broadening the “American story.”
Five sovereign Native nations—including the Navajo, Hopi, Zuni, and Ute—had petitioned the president earlier this year to grant federal monument protections to the area. All five tribes attest that the area is dense with burial grounds and cultural sites. In the 19th century, Navajo leaders used the area’s canyons to hide from the U.S. government’s campaign of forced relocation, “the long walk to Bosque Redondo.” Outside archeologists know the area for its unmatched record of rock carvings, which go back thousands of years before the commonthe president’s proclamation was that it recognized Native people still use and need public lands today.*
“The Antiquities Act was a statute that was very paternalistic toward Native people. It said that Native people are part of America’s past, they’re part of America’s history,” Tsosie told me. “If you read the president’s proclamation, it extends the act toward contemporary people. It’s a wonderful notion—it doesn’t freeze anything in the past.”
First, in protecting the land, the president extended federal protection to a beautiful and biodiverse part of the country while also broadening the “American story.”
Five sovereign Native nations—including the Navajo, Hopi, Zuni, and Ute—had petitioned the president earlier this year to grant federal monument protections to the area. All five tribes attest that the area is dense with burial grounds and cultural sites. In the 19th century, Navajo leaders used the area’s canyons to hide from the U.S. government’s campaign of forced relocation, “the long walk to Bosque Redondo.” Outside archeologists know the area for its unmatched record of rock carvings, which go back thousands of years before the commonthe president’s proclamation was that it recognized Native people still use and need public lands today.*
“The Antiquities Act was a statute that was very paternalistic toward Native people. It said that Native people are part of America’s past, they’re part of America’s history,” Tsosie told me. “If you read the president’s proclamation, it extends the act toward contemporary people. It’s a wonderful notion—it doesn’t freeze anything in the past.”
rod
Retired 23 years
Is that like the Central States Pension plan? It was owned by the Teamsters but was controlled by the Feds. Way to go Feds
MAKAVELI
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As opposed to a few Rich ranchers and corporations. The whole point in designating it as a National Monument is to keep it in its natural state. Might as well open up Yellowstone and Yosemite to mining operations.
rod
Retired 23 years
I'm pretty sure the Feds took over the overseeing part in 1985. The plan went to crap under their watch.
