President Trump

[vantexan]

Because the science doesn’t support that possibility.

There were approximately 500 tribes in what is now the U.S. when Columbus arrived. They were just as diverse ethnically as any other area on Earth and many were at constant war with their neighbors. They didn't have recognized borders but held onto territory through warfare. Many groups had a word for themselves that meant "the true people" which they saw themselves exclusively as. Just as many Whites saw them as heathens without souls. And many Whites made/make the mistake as seeing them as monolithic, not understanding there are huge differences between Navajos and Cherokees, to name a few. Some Indians, like the Crow, are extremely dark. Utes are tall and light skinned. Plains Indians lived in tipis, Pueblos lived in adobe brick buildings, Senecas lived in wood lodges, Mandans lived in dugout earth lodges, and so on. Some tribes were cooperative with Whites, some fought tooth and nail over every inch of territory. To boil it down into a one size fits all narrative is to show a lack of understanding of what went on to get to where we are now.

 

[vantexan]

Don’t forget yourself!

We're talking about Native Americans, which I know a bit about.

 

[vantexan]

A New History of the First Peoples in the Americas
Europeans arriving in the New World met people all the way from the frozen north to the frozen south. All had rich and mature cultures and established languages. The Skraeling were probably a people we now call Thule, who were the ancestors of the Inuit in Greenland and Canada and the Iñupiat in Alaska. The Taíno were a people spread across multiple chiefdoms around the Caribbean and Florida. Based on cultural and language similarities, we think that they had probably separated from earlier populations from South American lands, now Guyana and Trinidad. The Spanish brought no women with them in 1492, and raped the Taíno women, resulting in the first generation of “mestizo”—mixed ancestry people.

Immediately upon arrival, European alleles began to flow, admixed into the indigenous population, and that process has continued ever since: European DNA is found today throughout the Americas, no matter how remote or isolated a tribe might appear to be. But before Columbus, these continents were already populated. The indigenous people hadn’t always been there, nor had they originated there, as some of their traditions state, but they had occupied these American lands for at least 20,000 years.

I noticed it's a "new" history. As in a sanitized, politically correct, white man bad, native American good, history?

 

[Old Man Jingles]

We're talking about Native Americans, which I know a bit about.

You’re excused this time

 

[vantexan]

You’re excused this time

Thanks, it means so much coming from you!

 

[newfie]

And your point is?

your narrative that native americans had their land stolen by Europeans ignores the historical fact that what you call natives have been stealing land from each other for 10's of thousands of years.
and it ignores that mankind including people of color has been doing the same to each other for millions of years.
to paint such a narrative with such a narrow focus is just more white generated hate that totally ignores historical reality.

 

[MAKAVELI]

your narrative that native americans had their land stolen by Europeans ignores the historical fact that what you call natives have been stealing land from each other for 10's of thousands of years.
and it ignores that mankind including people of color has been doing the same to each other for millions of years.
to paint such a narrative with such a narrow focus is just more white generated hate that totally ignores historical reality.

Problem is you can't prove the native stole anything. It's a pretty sad argument anyways to say that because you believe Native Americans stole the land from somebody else that it's okay to steal it from them.

 

[newfie]

Problem is you can't prove the native stole anything. It's a pretty sad argument anyways to say that because you believe Native Americans stole the land from somebody else that it's okay to steal it from them.

why would I have to prove something that has been documented a million times throughout history? you libs are such lovers of evolution . have you ever studied known history of how man actually evolved? in that time period mankind regardless of origin or ethnicity always brutalized each other over gains of land , wealth , slaves and even food.

you are the silliest liberal of all one who denies history to make a political argument.

 

[MAKAVELI]

why would I have to prove something that has been documented a million times throughout history? you libs are such lovers of evolution . have you ever studied known history of how man actually evolved? in that time period mankind regardless of origin or ethnicity always brutalized each other over gains of land , wealth , slaves and even food.

you are the silliest liberal of all one who denies history to make a political argument.

Sorry bub there's no documentation that Native Americans stole this land from anyone. If there is I'm sure you'll have no problem producing it.

 

[vantexan]

Sorry bub there's no documentation that Native Americans stole this land from anyone. If there is I'm sure you'll have no problem producing it.

Not even each other?

 

[MAKAVELI]

Not even each other?

You're more than welcome to provide that documentation.

 

[floridays]

Problem is you can't prove the native stole anything. It's a pretty sad argument anyways to say that because you believe Native Americans stole the land from somebody else that it's okay to steal it from them.

Go to Africa for the first time, and live there. Sad fact is you will not be a native, and they won't particularly like you. Sad predicament you live in. A man without a country.

 

[MAKAVELI]

Go to Africa for the first time, and live there. Sad fact is you will not be a native, and they won't particularly like you. Sad predicament you live in. A man without a country.

We're not talking about Africa. Ttku

 

[floridays]

We're not talking about Africa. Ttku

I am , I'm taking your argument to a different place. Are you that simpleminded?

 

[vantexan]

You're more than welcome to provide that documentation.

Sure, I'll head down to the department of it ain't gonna happen.

 

[Old Man Jingles]

Are you that simpleminded?

 

[bbsam]

I am , I'm taking your argument to a different place. Are you that simpleminded?

Oh. Here comes the smart guy again.

 

[bbsam]

FBI was right to deploy informant, senior GOP lawmaker says

 

[rod]

I am having so much more fun than you losers!
Listening to Umphrey’s McGee at the adults Summer Camp Music Festival.

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WOW---the world sure is colorful looking through your eyes--what ya on?

 

[MAKAVELI]

I am ,

Yes you are. That we can agree on.