Jkloc420
Do you need an air compressor or tire gauge
I'm not, just telling u what my thoughts r, Imo trump sees big picture, and rest only see in front of their faces.
Price's 6th District House Seat in Georgia - Dems look to pick up this seat
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Catatonic
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Could be ... he is a different type of politician.
Jkloc420
Do you need an air compressor or tire gauge
yes, we'll see what happens
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wkmac
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Interesting read with all the characters mentioned previously. Freedom Caucus, Poe, Trump, Healthcare, etc.
Having Co-Opted the Tea Party Nationwide, Trump Tries to Stamp out its Remnants in Congress
Having Co-Opted the Tea Party Nationwide, Trump Tries to Stamp out its Remnants in Congress
Catatonic
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Trump may be marginalizing the Freedom Caucus ... he is a Centrist ... maybe he is a Blue Dog Republican.
It will be fine
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He can only marginalized them if some democrats come over and work with him. That's not going to happen with Trump's approval rating in the single digits amongst democrats.
newfie
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Time will tell . He may be applying a little negotiating leverage by threatening to work with the democrats on health care.
Inside sources said they were somewhat unnerved when they started realizing that their no vote could result in Obamacare staying in place.
Trump negotiating with the dems would result in a repaired Obamacare rather then a replaced Obamacare.
I've watched the interviews with freedom caucus members defending their position. I'm waiting for one journalist to ask a FC member if they will now take the leadership role on over hauling health care.
I respect their stance on principles but they need to get off the sidelines. lead instead of standing back and lobbing grenades.
Catatonic
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Or maybe just follow.
It will be fine
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They are the only ones that actually stood on principle against the ACA. They don't think government should be involved at all. Republicare kept the basic outline and government protections of the ACA and just executed it poorly.
Catatonic
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More poorly on top of the crap of a program it was to begin with.
Maybe that was the Dem's strategy ... pass a law that is fundamentally flawed and let the Repub's fix it.
It will be fine
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What part of the ACA do you have a problem with? How is it worse than the situation we were in before the ACA?
Catatonic
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My fiscal approach is that you do not buy something unless you can afford it.
See below for a partial list of why I personally don't like Obamacare.
Ad hoc experience:
I have several friends who used Obamacare.
Everyone's payments went up from 30% to over 100% over the last couple of years.
National Debt:
Most of the excess cost of Obamacare funding is paid by borrowing money and adding to the Financial Debt plus it still leaves many people uncovered. The US "pay"/borrows more than a Trillion dollars per year just to pay debt. Since Obamacare was implemented, the US Central Government annual budget deficit has increased by about $150 billion.
Out current tax structure cannot support a National healthcare program.
The US is going to have to go to a Fair Tax type program or to a European model.
The US does not tax wealth either.
There is too much "locked up" wealth in America that needs to be put back into the economy.
Ideology:
I find it reprehensible for the US Central Government to require people to buy Health insurance.
Most people on Obamacare only buy it because it is subsidized by the the US tax payers ...
which brings to question whether these "subsidized" people value healthcare.
The intrusion of Obamacare into Medicare is a BS move to push the costs down to the states and out of the US Central Government budget.
I don't believe the Central US Government has an authority to demand expenditures from States without funding them. This objection needs more expansive discussion but you get the gist.
Reagan pulled this same BS while claiming he reduced the US Central Government budget.
BS then and BS now. Just a "shell game".
PS - I support a National healthcare Plan as most Western European countries have.
We just need to produce the Revenue to pay for it.
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BrownArmy
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Mark this on the calendar, I agree with Tieguy.
It will be fine
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Thanks for a substantive response. I think you're off on a lot though. I've been self employed my whole life and premiums were going up 50-100%\year for me consistently before the ACA. The difference was I was getting worse coverage, lifetime maximums, fear of anything being considered a pre-existing condition and not being covered. The essential health benefits included in the ACA are great, now I don't have to comb through fine print to see what's covered.
The objection to the government mandating coverage I disagree with. Virtually everyone will need medical care at some point so it really comes down to who has to pay for it. The mandate forces people to pay according to their means. It prevents people from going without insurance, getting care, not paying for it, and the costs being passed on to the rest of people that are paying.
A lot of the cost was covered in tax increases for high income earners, medical devices etc. There are certainly problems with the medicaid expansion being pushed back on the states. I don't know how that will continue.
Our current tax structure can certainly pay for a national health care system. We already spend close to the top of the list of developed countries in public money on health care. We are just incredibly inefficient in our spending.
Overall as someone in the individual market, I think it's been a great bill. It needs to do more to control costs, but it's added quite a bit of certainty in coverage that I didn't have before.
Catatonic
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This is the one point I cannot budge on.
The government is here to serve the people, not prey on them.
newfie
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usually the way it works.
It will be fine
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Do you object to forcing drivers to get car insurance? The only difference I see is there is a chance you can drive your whole life and never cause an accident requiring insurance. No one gets through their whole life never seeing a doctor. People without insurance are just passing their risk onto everyone that is being responsible.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
Driving is a privilege and there are many, many people who don't drive.
The Central US Government does not force people to drive.
Thank you for this Federalist example of the US Government versus State Government.
This is the example I usually give when I argue against forced Healthcare insurance.
If a person does not opt to buy insurance, they are electing to pay from their pocket or die.