Put some REAL Teeth in 9.5!
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dogs.bite.me
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This was proposed by the union
olroadbeech
Happy Verified UPSer
At least in feeder we had DOT regs to protect us. 10 hours driving and limits on on duty time. In the winter management had to pick up drivers out of hours all the time.
They did everything possible to keep that from happening like if the driver only had 10 hours left in the week , management would keep them local rather than send them over the hill in a snowstorm.
Feeder drivers seem to be a stronger group than the package drivers at our hub. They didn't mess with us so much. We had ways to get back at them when they tried to screw with us. Like calling out sick and /or dragging it out when they pushed too much. There is more than one way to skin a cat if the contract won't help you.
They did everything possible to keep that from happening like if the driver only had 10 hours left in the week , management would keep them local rather than send them over the hill in a snowstorm.
Feeder drivers seem to be a stronger group than the package drivers at our hub. They didn't mess with us so much. We had ways to get back at them when they tried to screw with us. Like calling out sick and /or dragging it out when they pushed too much. There is more than one way to skin a cat if the contract won't help you.
Dragon
Package Center Manager
What is your formula for determining a 9.5 day?
Simple really. If a driver punches out before 9.5, then you have satisfied the request. If he punches out beyond 9.5 hours, then you have violated it. You see, all your technology and algorithms are just a guide. It’s not accurate when IE can blanketly manipulate time allowances. Work is calculated by weight x distance. It’s not stops or pieces. And there is no “maximum allowed distance restrictions”. There is no mathematical equations for time. But there is for work. The driver is guaranteed 8 but restricted to under 9.5. You have 1.5 hours of time to get that driver in and off the clock. Question, how long does a stop take?
BigUnionGuy
Got the T-Shirt
Yep.
Just like it is now.
They don't know. It's all just guessing at this point.
-Bug-
It's almost as if we need divers that start at all different hours to elevate the over dispatching, 9:5, and 8 hour request issues.
And that was my point. There was no way of truly answering because of so many variables. Management wants a magic button. Ain’t happening.
BigUnionGuy
Got the T-Shirt
They think the issue can be solved with computer technology.
It could be used as a starting point.... but unless IE would get on-car (like they used to)
not only is it a disservice to the driver and the customers, how as a center management
team, can you be fair and objective when critiquing a drivers performance ? You can't.
-Bug-
BlackCat
Well-Known Member
Bubblehead
My Senior Picture
Personally, I find the present language to have ample "teeth".....if you have the fortitude and the game to enact "the process"???
Bubblehead
My Senior Picture
Hours worked is the only "formula".
Rack em
Made the Podium
I've always thought the current language was pretty decent. I would really really really like to see automatic triple pay after 9.5 hours instead of having to grieve every time though.
Bubblehead
My Senior Picture
Here's what I see.....they want to inch their way to the edge of the cliff, while I am tasked to hold them up by their belt.
....then when they fall off of the cliff, they want to blame me for "not communicating"?
My position is this, they dispatch, I execute.
The residuals are their's to deal with.
~Bbbl~™
Local 705 for life
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They used have to stay until last driver in because air pickups. Much has changed.
542thruNthru
Well-Known Member
Honestly that is probably the best way I've ever heard to describe it. At least in my building. They push the limit every time and when it fails they freak out like I did it on purpose.
Bubblehead
My Senior Picture
They want us to tell them whether THEY will violate....
I don't see it as my responsibility???
I argue with my center manager all the time, when he claims that "we violated 9.5"???
That's the mindset of management, we're guilty until proven innocent.
