A critique of libertariansim
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moreluck
golden ticket member
Hullabaloo was a dance show........about the same time as Hootenannys (sp)
wkmac
Well-Known Member
As for this critique of libertarianism being a sore spot, knock yourself out if you want to hang your hat on this. Atkins spoke of fallacies which may be of some truth but he needs to look in the mirror. For one, many "libertarians" are non-theist in their own right so he has a problem already with the theocracy allegation. Secondly, he errors in assuming all libertarians are of a rightwing libertarian bent in the same manner as Ron Paul and there again is not the case. For one, there is a large presence of left libertarians which I guess Atkins failed to give consideration of. If Atkins doesn't like beltway libertarianism, geez, get in line with many, many libertarians. Even the likes of Stefan Molyneux and Wendy McElroy, solid voices of the libertarian/anarchist movement, have been more than vocal against the Ron Paul political movement but not because it's behind the reasons for Somalia.
And since Mr. Atkins raised the issue of Somalia, I won't raise his sore spot libertarian excuses but I will point out something he should have pondered had he even understood libertarian and anarchist theory. The warring faction in Somalia are fighting in order that they may control the reins of power. Their intent is to use the means of force to compel others against their will so they can benefit their own self interests. You know, like the many variety of statist in Washington do at any given time. Like the ones the very people and system that Atkins would defend as somehow righteous. Mirror, mirror on the wall!
But now to the real point on Somalia that the statists always fall back on when they want to critique in a negative way, anything libertarian or anarchist. What so many of these "SMART" people always fail to mention is the complicit actions on the part of our own gov't in causing the crisis in Somalia to begin with. Thanks to Evergreen University, a list was complied of United States interventions from Wounded Knee to Libya (1890-2011) and if one like Mr. Atkins would do his homework, he would know that we intervened for starters in Somalia from 1992' to 1994' and then again since 2006' when it sided with forces from Ethiopia to overthrow what was then an Islamist gov't. Maybe not what we would like but it was a gov't none the less and now since then in the ensuing chaos (I did not use anarchy because the term means no ruler) in which factions are trying to be rulers, folks like Atkins always jump to the straw man of let's blame this on the libertarians and anarchists.
To show further how little Atkins does his homework, he never mentions the fact that Somalia is a major CIA Black Op site so it begs the question, would a nation in utter turmoil be the perfect cover to keep prying eyes out of their business? A Somalia with even a crummy nationstate gov't might still prove itself problematic but oh wait, maybe that was the reason to eliminate the Islamist gov't it had in the first place. Now who is the real racist and theocrat? Somalia is a result of nationstate meddling and intervention and not the birth throws of a freedom and liberty movement.
Tell Mr. Atkins if he's not ready to run with the big dogs, like his other counterparts here, he should keep his arse on the porch or better yet hide under it!
Or as TOS would say,
FAIL!
And since Mr. Atkins raised the issue of Somalia, I won't raise his sore spot libertarian excuses but I will point out something he should have pondered had he even understood libertarian and anarchist theory. The warring faction in Somalia are fighting in order that they may control the reins of power. Their intent is to use the means of force to compel others against their will so they can benefit their own self interests. You know, like the many variety of statist in Washington do at any given time. Like the ones the very people and system that Atkins would defend as somehow righteous. Mirror, mirror on the wall!
But now to the real point on Somalia that the statists always fall back on when they want to critique in a negative way, anything libertarian or anarchist. What so many of these "SMART" people always fail to mention is the complicit actions on the part of our own gov't in causing the crisis in Somalia to begin with. Thanks to Evergreen University, a list was complied of United States interventions from Wounded Knee to Libya (1890-2011) and if one like Mr. Atkins would do his homework, he would know that we intervened for starters in Somalia from 1992' to 1994' and then again since 2006' when it sided with forces from Ethiopia to overthrow what was then an Islamist gov't. Maybe not what we would like but it was a gov't none the less and now since then in the ensuing chaos (I did not use anarchy because the term means no ruler) in which factions are trying to be rulers, folks like Atkins always jump to the straw man of let's blame this on the libertarians and anarchists.
To show further how little Atkins does his homework, he never mentions the fact that Somalia is a major CIA Black Op site so it begs the question, would a nation in utter turmoil be the perfect cover to keep prying eyes out of their business? A Somalia with even a crummy nationstate gov't might still prove itself problematic but oh wait, maybe that was the reason to eliminate the Islamist gov't it had in the first place. Now who is the real racist and theocrat? Somalia is a result of nationstate meddling and intervention and not the birth throws of a freedom and liberty movement.
Tell Mr. Atkins if he's not ready to run with the big dogs, like his other counterparts here, he should keep his arse on the porch or better yet hide under it!
Or as TOS would say,
FAIL!
moreluck
golden ticket member
.Among Paul’s earmarks are boondoggles like $38 million to “encourage parents to read aloud to their children”, $18 million for a light rail study, $4 million for a “Trails and Sidewalks Connectivity Initiative”, $11 million for an ACORN-like “Community-Based Job Training Program”, $2 million for a “clean energy” pilot project, and many, many more.Read it all…
This egomaniac holds himself up as the bastion of fiscal conservative purity after he loads bills with earmark pork (almost $400 million in FY 2010 for his district) only to turn around and vote against the bill — knowing it would pass — to reap the best of both worlds.
This egomaniac holds himself up as the bastion of fiscal conservative purity after he loads bills with earmark pork (almost $400 million in FY 2010 for his district) only to turn around and vote against the bill — knowing it would pass — to reap the best of both worlds.
moreluck
golden ticket member
Kiss of Death: Pelosi Praises Ron Paul…
The other GOP candidates would cringe in horror if Pelosi said something even remotely positive about them, for some reason I get the impression Ron Paul would be the exception. Call it a hunch.
Via Washington Examiner:
The other GOP candidates would cringe in horror if Pelosi said something even remotely positive about them, for some reason I get the impression Ron Paul would be the exception. Call it a hunch.
Via Washington Examiner:
Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, received some warm personal praise from an unexpected quarter, as House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., described him as “a gentleman,” although she seemed to reserve the right to attack him if he wins the Republican nomination.
“I have a great deal of respect for Ron Paul,” Pelosi said today on CNN, when asked to comment on her long-time fellow representative. “He acts upon his convictions and he’s a nice fellow in the Congress of the United States. He’s a gentleman.”
“I have a great deal of respect for Ron Paul,” Pelosi said today on CNN, when asked to comment on her long-time fellow representative. “He acts upon his convictions and he’s a nice fellow in the Congress of the United States. He’s a gentleman.”
Babagounj
Strength through joy
Earlier this week, Big Government broke an exclusive that Corporal Jesse Thorsen, 28–the soldier who supported presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) while in uniform during the Iowa caucuses–was being probed by his Army Reserve unit for violation of Department of Defense Regulations.
Thorsen originally seemed to confirm a statement by a CNN reporter during a live interview that he was an active soldier who had served two tours abroad in Afghanistan and that he was gearing up for a third.
Since then, Big Government has learned that Thorsen is not active duty, but actually in the Army Reserve, and that he has only served one tour abroad, not two. Despite his claim that he is on his way to serving another tour, Pentagon sources say that no orders have actually come through for Thorsen and that he’s currently being probed within his own unit.
Court records show that Thorsen was arrested in Lee County, Fla., in December 2004 for three felonies: burglary, theft of a firearm and possession of burglary tools.
He pleaded guilty to all three charges the following July but adjudication was withheld, meaning he would have no record. He was sentenced to probation and ordered to pay $660.50 He made regular payments through April 2006 totaling $630.50 but then stopped, the records show. In May 2006, he was ruled in violation of his probation and was arrested three weeks later in Tampa, spending three days in jail. In August 2006, he appeared before a judge in Lee County, who reinstated his probation. His probation ended in March 2007.
Thorsen originally seemed to confirm a statement by a CNN reporter during a live interview that he was an active soldier who had served two tours abroad in Afghanistan and that he was gearing up for a third.
Since then, Big Government has learned that Thorsen is not active duty, but actually in the Army Reserve, and that he has only served one tour abroad, not two. Despite his claim that he is on his way to serving another tour, Pentagon sources say that no orders have actually come through for Thorsen and that he’s currently being probed within his own unit.
Court records show that Thorsen was arrested in Lee County, Fla., in December 2004 for three felonies: burglary, theft of a firearm and possession of burglary tools.
He pleaded guilty to all three charges the following July but adjudication was withheld, meaning he would have no record. He was sentenced to probation and ordered to pay $660.50 He made regular payments through April 2006 totaling $630.50 but then stopped, the records show. In May 2006, he was ruled in violation of his probation and was arrested three weeks later in Tampa, spending three days in jail. In August 2006, he appeared before a judge in Lee County, who reinstated his probation. His probation ended in March 2007.
New campaign ads for RON PAUL!!!
"The young are flocking to Ron Paul because he wants to slice military spending, bring our troops home, stop government from spying on American citizens, and legalize pot."
http://www.readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/9398-focus-the-youthful-magic-of-ron-paul
http://www.readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/9398-focus-the-youthful-magic-of-ron-paul
No, i have encountered several paul followers at the OWS rallies. They are very anti war and they werent smoking pot.
MrFedEx
Engorged Member
I'm "positive" Paul didn't have anything to do with the "Chinese Values" ad in which Huntsman is being attacked. Probably the most blatantly racist and xenophobic piece of garbage I have ever seen. Fork You, Ron Paul (pun intended).
wkmac
Well-Known Member
Huffington Post op-ed sez Ron Paul can not only win the GOP nomination but the general election against Obama too!
moreluck
golden ticket member
Can you imagine the World Apology Tour a president Ron Paul would embark on?
(The Hill) — Ron Paul found a South Carolina audience highly skeptical of his foreign policy position during Monday’s debate, with scattered boos and jeers drowning out his call for a “golden rule” in American foreign policy.
“My point is, that if another country does to us what we do to others, we aren’t going to like it very much. So I would say maybe we ought to consider a golden rule in foreign policy,” Paul said as the crowd laughed and jeered. “We endlessly bomb these other countries and then we wonder why they get upset with us?”
Paul was heavily criticized by his Republican opponents, who argued his foreign policy would put the country at harm. Newt Gingrich said that equating terrorist leaders to Chinese dissidents that might come to America — as Paul did to illustrate his point — was a false analogy.
“Bin Laden plotted deliberately bombing American embassies, bombing the U.S.S. cole, and killing 3,100 people on September 11th. He’s not a Chinese dissident, the analogy Congressman Paul used was utterly irrational,” Gingrich said.
The former Speaker — and history Ph.D — then played to the South Carolina crowd, earning him a standing ovation.
“My point is, that if another country does to us what we do to others, we aren’t going to like it very much. So I would say maybe we ought to consider a golden rule in foreign policy,” Paul said as the crowd laughed and jeered. “We endlessly bomb these other countries and then we wonder why they get upset with us?”
Paul was heavily criticized by his Republican opponents, who argued his foreign policy would put the country at harm. Newt Gingrich said that equating terrorist leaders to Chinese dissidents that might come to America — as Paul did to illustrate his point — was a false analogy.
“Bin Laden plotted deliberately bombing American embassies, bombing the U.S.S. cole, and killing 3,100 people on September 11th. He’s not a Chinese dissident, the analogy Congressman Paul used was utterly irrational,” Gingrich said.
The former Speaker — and history Ph.D — then played to the South Carolina crowd, earning him a standing ovation.
av8torntn
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