Sarah Palin Says Independence Day Is For Remembering When Jesus Led The Revolution

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This picture was taken with Donal Rumsfeld and Saddam in 1983, AFTER the Kurds were gassed and the USA had full knowledge of the act. there was no outrage as Iraq was at war with our common enemy Iran

Oh you had to do it.. now 10 point and Realbrown will say its a photoshop, even though photoshop didnt exist in 1988!!

TOS.

 

[realbrown1]

um,where is your outrage on the weapons used against the kurds by Saddam which he purchased from The USA?

The U.S.doesn't have, use or sell chemical weapons.
You made the accusation, so show proof.
And it can't be from the Huffington Post. They are a bunch of liars.

 

[realbrown1]

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This picture was taken with Donal Rumsfeld and Saddam in 1983, AFTER the Kurds were gassed and the USA had full knowledge of the act. there was no outrage as Iraq was at war with our common enemy Iran

The kurds were gassed in 1988. Are you that nuts?

 

[oldngray]

I'll be more than happy to go down that road. The Nazi Generals were hanged for invading Sovereign Countries and killing the populations on very similar imaginary reasons the USA invaded Iraq
Crimes Against Humanity
Crimes Against peace
Pursuing an Agressive War
Bush,Cheney, Rice et al are just as guilty of the same crimes

If you want to go down that road you would have to include Congress (including the Democrats) who authorized the Iraq war. You may not like it but history doesn't change. Bush took no illegal actions and operated fully within the Constitution. Unlike Obama who has arbitrarily sent troops to fight (and die) without authorization.

 

[wkmac]

The Obama Administration May Be Guilty of War Crimes

USA must be held to account for drone killings in Pakistan

And to quote from a Counterpunch piece circa 2012'

As we slog towards another vapid, largely meaningless exercise in pretend democracy with the selection of a new president and Congress this November, it is time to make it clear that the current president, elected four years ago by so many people with such inflated expectations four years ago (myself included, as I had hoped, vainly it turned out, that those who elected him would then press him to act in progressive ways), is not only a betrayer of those hopes, but is a serial violator of his oath of office. He is, in truth, a war criminal easily the equal of his predecessor, George W. Bush, and perhaps even of Bush’s regent, former Vice President Dick Cheney.

The Constitutional Crimes of Barack Obama

 

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The kurds were gassed in 1988. Are you that nuts?

i meant to put after Iranians were gassed by Iraq,mistyped. oh yeah on a side note the US knew full well Iraq was using Poison Gas on Iranians

By the summer of 1983 Iran had been reporting Iraqi use of using chemical weapons for some time. The Geneva protocol requires that the international community respond to chemical warfare, but a diplomatically isolated Iran received only a muted response to its complaints

 

[wkmac]

Obama’s War Itch

John Pilger: US war crimes from Vietnam to Obama

 

[728ups]

If you want to go down that road you would have to include Congress (including the Democrats) who authorized the Iraq war. You may not like it but history doesn't change. Bush took no illegal actions and operated fully within the Constitution. Unlike Obama who has arbitrarily sent troops to fight (and die) without authorization.

I agree, one cannot re write history no matter how badly Fox News wishes they could. Obama hasn't arbitrarily invaded any sovereign countries on false pretexts causing the deaths of thousands of brave Us soldiers for absolutely nothing

 

[oldngray]

I agree, one cannot re write history no matter how badly Fox News wishes they could. Obama hasn't arbitrarily invaded any sovereign countries on false pretexts causing the deaths of thousands of brave Us soldiers for absolutely nothing

Neither did Bush.

 

[728ups]

Neither did Bush.

*coff** IRAQ **coff**

 

[oldngray]

Many more US troops have died in Afghanistan under Obama than under Bush.
http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/obamavsbush

 

[wkmac]

Unlike many of you here who want to infer or claim to be a liberal/progressive, at least this man holds to his principles. I'll also point out that nothing I linked was from anything close to "rightwing" or other ad hom/strawman you want to build in order to tear down. The growing distrust of Obama on the true political left is growing and if the dems throw Hillary out as their nominee, the dems better hope like hell the GOP nominates someone like Rand Paul so the dems can capture the neo-con vote too. You'll need the neo-cons because the principled liberals will either go 3rd party or stay home.

 

[oldngray]

Unlike many of you here who want to infer or claim to be a liberal/progressive, at least this man holds to his principles. I'll also point out that nothing I linked was from anything close to "rightwing" or other ad hom/strawman you want to build in order to tear down. The growing distrust of Obama on the true political left is growing and if the dems throw Hillary out as their nominee, the dems better hope like hell the GOP nominates someone like Rand Paul so the dems can capture the neo-con vote too. You'll need the neo-cons because the principled liberals will either go 3rd party or stay home.

As much as I dislike Obama Ralph Nader is a total nutcase and I wouldn't use him as an example.

 

[wkmac]

If you want to go down that road you would have to include Congress (including the Democrats) who authorized the Iraq war. You may not like it but history doesn't change. Bush took no illegal actions and operated fully within the Constitution. Unlike Obama who has arbitrarily sent troops to fight (and die) without authorization.

I don't think finding enough rope to be a problem. But the fact is both sides are equally guilty.

 

[wkmac]

As much as I dislike Obama Ralph Nader is a total nutcase and I wouldn't use him as an example.

Good thing you live without mirrors.

 

[oldngray]

I hate to bust your bubble for like the thousanth time, but your link proves nothing. AGAIN, another opinion piece from a right wing wacko that provides ZERO evidence of anything more than political jibberish.

Try again.

TOS.

Do you stick your fingers in your ears and stomp your feet when you say that?

 

[oldngray]

Again, another fail.

The bill, "The Iraq liberation act of 1998" was a republican sponsored bill, researched by republicans, presented by republicans and PUSHED by neo con William Kristol, aka BILL KRISTOL of fox news and weekly standard fame.

Bill Kristol, since 1997 while running the conservative think tank THE PROJECT FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY, has promoted the concept of invading Iraq since 1988 at the tail end of Reagans horrible term as president.

Reagan would authorize a war with Iraq, and neither would Bush 1, but the Kuwait war was as far as daddy Bush would go.

Bill Kristol, pushed republicans to attack Iraq and Clinton wouldnt do it without substantial proof of chemical weapons.

There wasnt any.

The bill was sponsored by Representative Benjamin A. Gilman (Republican, NY-20) and co-sponsored by Representative Christopher Cox (Republican, CA-47). The bill was introduced as H.R. 4655 on September 29, 1998. The House of Representatives passed the bill 360 - 38 on October 5, and the Senate passed it with unanimous consent two days later. President Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act into law on October 31, 1998.[3]

Remembering that the republicans controlled both the house and senate, it was easy to pass. Clinton signed it, but didnt support going to war for chemical weapons he had no proof existed.

You can attempt to piece together some kind of logic on this issue, but you will continue to be unsuccessful.

TOS.

Similar to the Democrat controlled Congress during the last 2 years of Bush that created the stock market crash.

 

[728ups]

As much as I dislike Obama Ralph Nader is a total nutcase and I wouldn't use him as an example.

oh dear,we actually agree on something in here

 

[realbrown1]

i meant to put after Iranians were gassed by Iraq,mistyped. oh yeah on a side note the US knew full well Iraq was using Poison Gas on Iranians

By the summer of 1983 Iran had been reporting Iraqi use of using chemical weapons for some time. The Geneva protocol requires that the international community respond to chemical warfare, but a diplomatically isolated Iran received only a muted response to its complaints

That's a lot of mistakes for 1 post. Are you sure you are not cutting and pasting directly from Huffington Post.

 

[wkmac]

The democrat Congress did nothing to prevent the crash and in fact enjoyed the benefits of economy leading up to it but they were not at all alone in causing it. Democrats do share the blame with republicans equally, both howled loudly for example at Ron Paul at his many warnings starting in the late 90's just after he re-entered the Congress but your limited statement shows your unfounded bias and economic ignorance.