Taken out of service for not knowing safety dribble?

[wornoutupser]

Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

Failure to regurgitate acronyms is not a terminable offense. Nowhere in the contract does it state that memorization of the 10-point commentary is a condition of employment.


What I find troubling is when I first began working for UPS a ketter audit consisted of a simple 10 questions of which the answers were obvious. It seems over time the amount of material has been growing ever since. Some of it for me has been going from being a hub worker to a driver, but it is becoming an obscene amount of material. If it weren't for my good memory I would probably not know it all that well because to be honest I'm not spending my free time outside of work memorizing material for work. If they aren't willing to let me memorize it on the clock then I'm not going to try memorizing it at all.

Exactly! UPS is using Keter to fire drivers. Keter was brought in to make certain that UPS gave us a safe work place, now the company is using THEM to get employees!

Hey Tie, didnt UPS get Keter after failing all the audits in Kansas and OSHA fined the crap out of us? More 3 rd party deniability!

IMHO----Keter has gotten too big for their britches!

 

[mittam]

Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

our center did actually take a bunch of us out of service for the audit crap. No not saying we failed audit and could not drive but rather to sit and learn it all. they expected by taking 8 hours to learn it we could then recite it. A couple guys actually got 10 hr days out of it taking their time saying they just could not remember the how and whys of all the points. Some of us got it done in about 6 hours and were sent home, only to learn the next few following days they were paying it out hours only. Yes we did get hat changed to our guaranteed 8 hrs. AND OH AS A CENTER WE FAILED! center manager was very distraught over it.

 

[JonFrum]

Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

In fact its an audit mandated by OSHA. Its an agency that reports the results directly to OSHA.

Tie, you're the only one I've ever heard make these two points. You made the point about Keter reporting to OSHA in a previous thread as well. Can you tell us where you got this information? I'd like to see some proof. Just for the record.
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Keter Consultants has an one-page website here . . .
http://www.keter.com

Keter is a wholly owned subsidiary of Liberty Mutual with an OSHA Compliance webpage

 

[Bloodybrown]

Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

Where I'm from the drivers get about 10 minutes a month to study. They are quized monthly as well. Progressive discipline is used. Verbal first, re-audit within a week, warning letter next, another audit within a week. I have never saw anyone lose thier job because they eventually learned the materiel. I have seen drivers on the hot seat in front of the manger or Division manager when it got to notice of suspension or termination. I think 10 minutes a month to study is fair to brush up on the material. No one can argue with the results of the companies safety efforts over the years when it comes to reducing accidents and injuries. That equates to big big money!!

 

[New Englander]

Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

you don't get it.

It does not matter whether you think its some BS way for UPS to show it cares about safety.

In fact its an audit mandated by OSHA. Its an agency that reports the results directly to OSHA.

People get fired over the results of this audit.

Stop being so frigging hard headed and think.

If you want be so arrogant and risk your job then do so. But don't recommend that other people risk their job when you don't understand how serious the Ketter audit is.

Is UPS going to set aside TIME and a way for us to CODE it for us to study? Do you think us using a stupid workbook for 3 minutes every day is going to translate into us learning this crap verbatim?

People learn at different paces, it wasn't a requirement when we were hired so were not going to get fired for not being able to recite all of UPS's rules on safety.

UPS doesn't make any REAL effort in getting us to learn this stuff. When they actually decide to help the drivers learn it verbatim in an honest to goodness way......screw them. I'll retain what ever I can in the 3 minutes it takes to finish the page in my book every day. My home time is my home time, not UPS's.

 

[New Englander]

Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

Tie, you're the only one I've ever heard make these two points. You made the point about Keter reporting to OSHA in a previous thread as well. Can you tell us where you got this information? I'd like to see some proof. Just for the record.
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Keter Consultants has an one-page website here . . .
http://www.keter.com

Keter is a wholly owned subsidiary of Liberty Mutual with an OSHA Compliance webpage

Exactly!

 

[Mike Hawk]

Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

Why do the auditors test our memory rather than look at the way people work to determine if they are safe? We had 5 back injuries last year on the preload plus multiple other injuries for people not following the 8/5 keys. They all could recite the keys but still they got injured, HMMM...

 

[Babagounj]

Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

The Keter audit isn't a big deal. Its just an audit. Someone with nothing better to do decided that we all needed to recite acronyms like trained parakeets. Some people will memorize them verbatim. Others wont. Life will go on.

After reading all the posts here, soberups's qoute is exactly how I feel towards this topic. Frankly I could care less, basically I believe actions ( returning safely and alive ) should govern any audit not mindless mumbo jumbo.
Also the auditors have all go to dinner by the time I return to the building, so its a moot point.

 

[cachsux]

Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

If I didn't care I would just shut up and let soberups lead all of you to the exit door.

Could you give us the 7 keys to properly go thru the exit door?

 

[bad company]

Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

I gave in...I admit it. I failed an internal audit and my name got on some report. I was hounded by supervisors, center manager, Division manager, Safety specialist, you name it....I spent one night at home looking over everything and I now know it all, word for word, just like they want. Say what you will about taking my personal time to learn it all, but it is worth not having to put up with the constant hassle and harassment of management. They're happy and I'm happy...good riddance.

And on a positive note, I got to pick out a goody from the UPS apparel box!

 

[Hedley_Lamarr]

Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

So yesterday at my PCM our supervisor informed us that we were undergoing a surprise Ketter audit, and that it was important that we knew all the saftey lists they claim we need to know (5 seeing habits, 10 point commentary, 8 keys to lifting/lowering, 5 keys to slips and falls, elements of backing). We were also told that the word coming straight from our package car division manager of our building that if we were not able to recite every one of those stated lists that we would be taken out of service. Now, I have never had a problem remembering most of those listed above, and I understand the need to be safe, but my understanding is that knowing all this saftey material is not a job requirement. I can't see them taking people out of service because they forgot one of the 8 keys to lifting/lowering, but if they did wouldn't there be some sort of recourse on that? Has anyone else been told the same? Seems a little extreme, and honestly I believe its all bark and no bite, but if they made good on their promise what options would someone have?

You wouldn't happen to work out of Edison Center NJ would you??

 

[tieguy]

Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

Tie, you're the only one I've ever heard make these two points. You made the point about Keter reporting to OSHA in a previous thread as well. Can you tell us where you got this information? I'd like to see some proof. Just for the record.
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Keter Consultants has an one-page website here . . .
http://www.keter.com

Keter is a wholly owned subsidiary of Liberty Mutual with an OSHA Compliance webpage

I'm sorry did an anonymous poster too arrogant to join our little community ask me for something?

 

[New Englander]

Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

I'm sorry did an anonymous poster too arrogant to join our little community ask me for something?

Well...I'd like to know as well.

 

[brett636]

Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

You wouldn't happen to work out of Edison Center NJ would you??

Nope. I'm about 600 miles west NJ.

 

[Mike Hawk]

Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

I'm sorry did an anonymous poster too arrogant to join our little community ask me for something?

I wouldn't call him anonymous if he posts on the same name every time he posts here, but then again we are all anonymous over the internet. Not sure why you're so defensive, do you have something to lose by answering his question?

 

[drewed]

Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

it may sound like elementary school but all my employees recite the 5 keys 8 steps and 6 swms everyday, starting this week i get to add the 10pt commentary and 5 seeing habits to it. They know id have their arse if we failed an audit bc of them not reciting it....Just remember repetition is the mother of all success, if you do something enough times whether its reciting "dribble" loading containers or open heart surgery youre ahve it down pat

 

[cachsux]

Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

All joking aside at the Cach we only have to demonstrate working knowledge,not recite it word for word.

 

[New Englander]

Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

I wouldn't call him anonymous if he posts on the same name every time he posts here, but then again we are all anonymous over the internet. Not sure why you're so defensive, do you have something to lose by answering his question?

He still has yet to answer it. I think we all know why.

 

[Babagounj]

Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

If he were to join, then tieguy could give him the bad rep points he deserves.

 

[moreluck]

Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

Ok, I've been ready to burst since mid-June when this thread appeared.

It's not "dribble", it's "DRIVEL" !!!!