What were you expecting? Hoffa doing a strip tease!!!
Teamsters Gone Wild
- Thread starter Bill
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The dream is that your pension fund will ever be 100% funded under the teamsters
All the loyalty in the world won`t fix what your Uncle Jimmy has done for "YOU" !At least the APWA has a plan to fix the pension problems. The Teamsters have none except to make further cuts.
Delivered
Well-Known Member
Why not contact the guys at the APWA and set up a meeting in your neck of the woods so that you and your fellow upsers can get the info and make an informed decision.
satellitedriver
Senior Member
We are. One driver at a time.
The teamsters need some competition - need to shake em up a little ! Services should be an honor to serve us not an obligation. We are the payer !
The Teamsters are shrinking and will eventually become extinct. According to U.S. government statistics, the workforce was 12.5% unionized last year, and this year it is 12% (an all time low) . This can be verified if you bother to check the website of the government. It is time to cut our losses and bail out from a sinking organization before there is nothing left for us in regards to our pension and health benefits. We need a union, but one that is working for us, not against.
twnjrspc
Well-Known Member
I can't disagree with what The Hoffa Group has done, but where were you when the 2006 election took place? Are you saying that the Teamster members had no choice other than voting for Hoffa "most not at all" but let us vote to replace all that exists, with a non existant Union? If all the UPS members of the Teamsters would have voted in the past election, we could taken the right step to correct the problems plaguing the Teamsters. Oh, but let me guess... The APWA will be corrupt free! Right? Was it you that said, democracy had recently worked regarding our Congressional votes, where incumbents were ousted with our votes? Again I say...To divide is to conquer! We couldn't get 300,000 Ups Teamsters to vote in the most recent Teamster election, what makes you think they'll vote to decertify from the Teamsters, to join a non existing, non representing Paper Tiger Union?
Simply put, people did not vote in the Hoffa-Leedham election because it did not make a difference who won. The Teamsters are still under obligation to pay out pensions to employees of other companies that no longer exist. this is where part of our money is going and currently we receive only 40% of the money that UPS contributes. I guarantee that if and when the election between the Teamsters and the APWA is held, you will see a big turnout as the two unions are on opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to doing right by its members.I can't disagree with what The Hoffa Group has done, but where were you when the 2006 election took place? Are you saying that the Teamster members had no choice other than voting for Hoffa "most not at all" but let us vote to replace all that exists, with a non existant Union? If all the UPS members of the Teamsters would have voted in the past election, we could taken the right step to correct the problems plaguing the Teamsters. Oh, but let me guess... The APWA will be corrupt free! Right? Was it you that said, democracy had recently worked regarding our Congressional votes, where incumbents were ousted with our votes? Again I say...To divide is to conquer! We couldn't get 300,000 Ups Teamsters to vote in the most recent Teamster election, what makes you think they'll vote to decertify from the Teamsters, to join a non existing, non representing Paper Tiger Union?
brett636
Well-Known Member
The APWA represents members? Isn't that illegal since they are not a union?
Must you be ignorant on everything or is that your nature. the APWA is in the early stages, and when they receive enogh petition cards, an election will be held. If the APWA wins, they become our union and will represent us. If the Teamsters win, then the APWA will fade away and be forgotten, but the Teamsters will continue to abuse our benefits as the pension fund in Central States and other funds are seriously underfunded and can not be corrected any longer. In the next few day, I am working on the numbers to show how the Central States fund is dwindling, year after year, as more employees are retiring.
You still haven't told me where to find the article stating where the pilots were receiving only a 20k pension per year.
Brett, Please inform us as to what makes a union? After all you face is planted so far up the donkey's a#@ that you should now what it takes?
Since we know the donkey and buggie crowd (not necessarily the individual members) are still racked with mismanagement (being nice) not to mention being a finanacially strapped outfit. Here it is for you to see for yourselves..
or get raw data from EBSA.
UPS PARCEL great job signing the APWA in, we in freight are locking the door on this bunch also.
International Brotherhood of Teamsters
The Health and Welfare Fund was established in 1950 and the Pension Fund was established in 1955.
The Pension Fund is one of the nation's largest Taft-Hartley Funds, with approximately 150,000 active participants and benefit payments to more than 210,000 retirees and surviving spouses each month. The Fund's assets as of December 31, 2005 were in excess of $19 billion.
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mightymouse
Member
Hard to read all the way through as it is full of inaccuracies.
The 1% contributory rate we have now is better than the set guidelines. You are incorrect on all years until 65 get a reduction, that is not true in my plan and many others.
Read the news, insurance and pensions are a nationaly problem with both private and public workers. Single employer plans, like the one you are encouraging are very high risk, and how do you expect to get these plans negotiated with anti union lawyers, no money or no strike fund.
I assume you have negotiated contracts before, at least i hope so as the 2 clowns from N.C. have never negotaited anything, never been stewards, never represented anyone but they are going to lead negotaitions vs. UPS, are you kidding me.
UPS would destroy this group and expose them and all union members would suffer. Their promises and dreams could not come true, do you think ups would just roll over? How long have your worked for ups? I guess they give you everything you ask for and you dont need a contract.
The Teamsters Union has been representing folks for a while, and although not perfect it is the largest most successfull labor union in the United States, Canada & Puerto Rico and there are reasons for that.
Democracy, (who elected these officers of apwa, who elected their convention delegates, thats right there was no election because they could only get a few to attend) Strength and Unity will prevail with the Teamsters membership and I hope you join us and forget about these splinter groups.
The 1% contributory rate we have now is better than the set guidelines. You are incorrect on all years until 65 get a reduction, that is not true in my plan and many others.
Read the news, insurance and pensions are a nationaly problem with both private and public workers. Single employer plans, like the one you are encouraging are very high risk, and how do you expect to get these plans negotiated with anti union lawyers, no money or no strike fund.
I assume you have negotiated contracts before, at least i hope so as the 2 clowns from N.C. have never negotaited anything, never been stewards, never represented anyone but they are going to lead negotaitions vs. UPS, are you kidding me.
UPS would destroy this group and expose them and all union members would suffer. Their promises and dreams could not come true, do you think ups would just roll over? How long have your worked for ups? I guess they give you everything you ask for and you dont need a contract.
The Teamsters Union has been representing folks for a while, and although not perfect it is the largest most successfull labor union in the United States, Canada & Puerto Rico and there are reasons for that.
Democracy, (who elected these officers of apwa, who elected their convention delegates, thats right there was no election because they could only get a few to attend) Strength and Unity will prevail with the Teamsters membership and I hope you join us and forget about these splinter groups.
mightymouse
Member
I think you meant to say we need members fighting with and for their union, right? How strong can any union be with members who are not involved and spread rumors and inaccuracies that harm and disrupt organizing campaigns to bring that 12.5% up and build strength and unity.
The only people the Teamsters are representing is theirselves, in order to get their hands on our money!
Their representation has done nothing but pull us further and further into a bottomless pit for years.
Bad representation can be worse than no representation or in this case NEW representation. The APWA can't do any more harm to us than the Teamsters have already done, and for that matter with the Teamsters representation or lack of,
it's like not having a union already. So, why not give another union a chance, that is showing the desire to do for us, what the Teamsters want anymore?
Their representation has done nothing but pull us further and further into a bottomless pit for years.
Bad representation can be worse than no representation or in this case NEW representation. The APWA can't do any more harm to us than the Teamsters have already done, and for that matter with the Teamsters representation or lack of,
it's like not having a union already. So, why not give another union a chance, that is showing the desire to do for us, what the Teamsters want anymore?
You wrote "How strong can any union be with members who are not involved.....build strength and unity." The Teamsters were a member of the AFLCIO, but Hoffa chose to withdraw to save $10 million. He withdrew from the strongest union in this country. How is that building unity and strength?
Dude you have serious issues. Besides all the false misinformation you posted, you contradict yourself repeatedly.
Oh we should withdraw from the Teamsters and go with local yokels APWA (A Pathetic Wasted Attempt). Oh wait, SHAME on the Teamsters for withdrawing from the AFL-CIO. Give me a Break!
Oh we should withdraw from the Teamsters and go with local yokels APWA (A Pathetic Wasted Attempt). Oh wait, SHAME on the Teamsters for withdrawing from the AFL-CIO. Give me a Break!
