542thruNthru
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What did you expect. An extra $1 every year because you been working at UPS longer than a new hire with no seniority, vacation, sick time, pension, Healthcare and many other things?
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MyTripisCut
Never bought my own handtruck
He expected a threesome with two pornstars, $37 an hour, plus $5 an hour for every year worked, free healthcare, no overtime, extra pay when his hamster dies, and ice cream n Pizza on fridays. Wtf ???
Just A UPS Guy
Bully.
Parole board have a walk through?
542thruNthru
Well-Known Member
He should move to California then!
HarryWarden
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“Long term part timers will receive a Longevity raise on top of hourly raises compounding earnings”
That to me sounds like an extra $1 on top of every raise
Just A UPS Guy
Bully.
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That sounds like what you wanna hear, and definitely not reading with an objective eye.
542thruNthru
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Lol let me guess its the "compounding earnings" part that confused you?
Let me break this down for you.
"Long term part timers will receive A longevity raise."
A meaning one raise. If it were multiple they'd have said something like. "Long term part timers will receive longevity raises"
"On top of hourly raises compounding earnings"
Compounding meaning every year you will continue to make more than any PTer hired under 5 years.
It's a common thing in reading contracts as well. You read what you wanted to see not what it said.
HarryWarden
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Lol really?
On top of hourly raises. We get 4 more hourly raises throughout the contract. Compounding earnings.
It doesn’t say a one time raise. It doesn’t say on top of your first raise. It says “on top of hourly raiseS COMPOUNDING earnings
mikejonesjr
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HarryWarden
Well-Known Member
funny, because that was my wording and not teamsters. Teamsters wording only helps my argument and goes directly against what you just said.
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- Current UPS Teamsters working part-time would receive longevity wage increases of up to $1.50 per hour on top of new hourly raises, compounding their earnings.
Your also misusing compounding. Compounding MY earnings. A one time $1 is not compounding my earnings
UnionStrong
Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
Because the amount varies according to years of service, hence “increases”
542thruNthru
Well-Known Member
Yes because there are multiple different tiers.
Yes it is. It compounds over time. Lol
"Compounding is a financial phenomenon that makes time work in your favor"
HarryWarden
Well-Known Member
It doesn’t compound over time. A 401k compounds over time. If it was added to each raise, you could say that is compounding my earnings. This is a one time raise.
Back before they took away my $1 for pickoff certification, they didn’t claim that was “compounding my earnings”. It’s a one time $1 raise
mikejonesjr
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This is what most don’t understand about how the PTers starting in 2014 and on got screwed. There is probably a $2.50 pay difference between someone who gained seniority between July 2013 and someone who came in Sep 2014. Yet only a 50 cent pay difference between someone hired in 2014 and 2023 (assuming it passes)
The 2002,2008,2013 contracts all had language like
New rate $9.50
Seniority + 2 years $11.50
Seniority + 4 years $12.80
So if the new rate went to 9.50 next contract and you just hit 4 years in the duration of the new contract then boom you’re at $12.80.
So after every new contract kicked in you’d be automatically bumped up for your years worked if you were a newer worker. You would never be working 4 years and make the same as a new hire or work 9 years and only make 50 cents over a new hire. It just was impossible.
So if you missed the good raises in 2008 since you came in 2010 for example , you’d still get bumped up to a better pay and better pay that new hires in the 2013 contract bc of your 3 years worked.
The 2018 didn’t have this language. It was just the GWI and new minimum wages across the board. So essentially those who came after Aug 1st 2013 remained underpaid thru the 2018 contract compared to getting the new GWI on top of that initial bump for the years they had just worked. And then remained underpaid that whole contract. Now again in 2023 in this apparent contract it’s the same. Previous contracts would have said something like
New start rate $21
Seniority + 1 year $21.75
Seniority + 4 years $23.50
You get the point.
Now you work 4 years and make the same as a new hire or worked 9 years and get 50 cents over the new hire start rate. So yes that is bull
but it’s also not even how UPS used to do things. Anyone employed 2014 and on essentially makes the same rate because they switched the language up out of nowhere. The full timers or part timers saying boo hoo probably didn’t go thru this last 2 contracts being there first to even experience this. If anyone cares and didn’t understand the logic of the under 10 year pters complaining there you go
The 2002,2008,2013 contracts all had language like
New rate $9.50
Seniority + 2 years $11.50
Seniority + 4 years $12.80
So if the new rate went to 9.50 next contract and you just hit 4 years in the duration of the new contract then boom you’re at $12.80.
So after every new contract kicked in you’d be automatically bumped up for your years worked if you were a newer worker. You would never be working 4 years and make the same as a new hire or work 9 years and only make 50 cents over a new hire. It just was impossible.
So if you missed the good raises in 2008 since you came in 2010 for example , you’d still get bumped up to a better pay and better pay that new hires in the 2013 contract bc of your 3 years worked.
The 2018 didn’t have this language. It was just the GWI and new minimum wages across the board. So essentially those who came after Aug 1st 2013 remained underpaid thru the 2018 contract compared to getting the new GWI on top of that initial bump for the years they had just worked. And then remained underpaid that whole contract. Now again in 2023 in this apparent contract it’s the same. Previous contracts would have said something like
New start rate $21
Seniority + 1 year $21.75
Seniority + 4 years $23.50
You get the point.
Now you work 4 years and make the same as a new hire or worked 9 years and get 50 cents over the new hire start rate. So yes that is bull
but it’s also not even how UPS used to do things. Anyone employed 2014 and on essentially makes the same rate because they switched the language up out of nowhere. The full timers or part timers saying boo hoo probably didn’t go thru this last 2 contracts being there first to even experience this. If anyone cares and didn’t understand the logic of the under 10 year pters complaining there you go
Trucker Clock
Well-Known Member
I hate that also.
Sucks to take 4 years to top pay. Should be a year.
There’s no “earning” nothing. He is doing the same job, should get the same pay.
Satuirus2000
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It's a little ironic that it's UPS's use of MRAs that's really souring people's feelings towards this contract.
DELACROIX
In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
Till you hear it from a (feeder driver) it is just hearsay…
UnionStrong
Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
I can’t catch one.
I have NOT been lurking
Eat. Sleep. Work. Jork.
Cause nobody wants a gay lot lizard
UnionStrong
Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
You mother
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