The 2024 Presidential Race Thread

[vantexan]

Trump pushes Senate to vote on 20-week abortion ban

President Trump on Friday called on the Senate to pass a bill banning abortions after 20 weeks.”I call upon the Senate to pass this important law and send it to my desk for signing,” Tr…

thehill.com

2018

That's not the same as a national abortion ban. That's just putting restrictions on abortion. But that was under Roe. Abortion has been returned to the States where it belonged all along.

Have you never heard of "the third rail of politics?" Never touch Social Security or the seniors will turn out against you. Highly likely if the Republicans control the government they still won't try to pass a national abortion ban. For one SCOTUS has ruled its a state issue. But also they'd likely lose Congress over it. A lot of angry women.

 

[newfie]

The very fact we’re putting gun rights above “murdering babies” says everything to me. If you’re willing to compromise on one but not the other. Maybe we should just let the woman decides what she does with her body and have the government stay out of it

i think undoing roe vs wade while not a complete step in the direction meant taking the federal judicial branch out of it.
Leaving the states or congress to come up with the solution.

 

[Appvol]

Didn’t you hear it in his project 2025

 

[Doublestandards]

That's not the same as a national abortion ban. That's just putting restrictions on abortion. But that was under Roe. Abortion has been returned to the States where it belonged all along.

Have you never heard of "the third rail of politics?" Never touch Social Security or the seniors will turn out against you. Highly likely if the Republicans control the government they still won't try to pass a national abortion ban. For one SCOTUS has ruled its a state issue. But also they'd likely lose Congress over it. A lot of angry women.

I hear what you’re saying, and you’re right. But it would also take the “states rights” aspect out of it by putting that “limit” on it

 

[Doublestandards]

i think undoing roe vs wade while not a complete step in the direction meant taking the federal judicial branch out of it.
Leaving the states or congress to come up with the solution.

I hear you. But my point is, if you believe the fetuses have rights, and it’s murdering a baby, why not do a national abortion ban? Why leave something like that up to the states?

Do you believe slavery should still be left up to the states?

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

I hear you. But my point is, if you believe the fetuses have rights, and it’s murdering a baby, why not do a national abortion ban?

Because no one on this forum has the authority to ban abortion.
Hope this helps.

 

[Doublestandards]

Because no one on this forum has the authority to ban abortion.
Hope this helps.

Im asking why the Republican Party doesn’t endorse a national abortion ban.

 

[vantexan]

I hear what you’re saying, and you’re right. But it would also take the “states rights” aspect out of it by putting that “limit” on it

You're not getting it. They aren't going to put restrictions on it at a national level because it has been returned to the States. They could under Roe, but not now. If they tried it's almost guaranteed that SCOTUS would shoot it down. SCOTUS has already decided it belongs to each state to decide.

 

[Doublestandards]

You're not getting it. They aren't going to put restrictions on it at a national level because it has been returned to the States. They could under Roe, but not now. If they tried it's almost guaranteed that SCOTUS would shoot it down. SCOTUS has already decided it belongs to each state to decide.

Do you not feel that it shouldn’t be left to the states though? I feel for something as important as this, it should be decided nationally.

Like my example with slavery, do you believe that should be left up to the states again? And why or why not?

 

[vantexan]

I hear you. But my point is, if you believe the fetuses have rights, and it’s murdering a baby, why not do a national abortion ban? Why leave something like that up to the states?

Do you believe slavery should still be left up to the states?

Because we have a Constitution that says all powers not enumerated to the Federal government in the Constitution belong to the States. You're trying to figure out how to make every decision at a national level, to have an all powerful central government. That's a surefire recipe for dissolving the country.

 

[vantexan]

Do you not feel that it shouldn’t be left to the states though? I feel for something as important as this, it should be decided nationally.

Like my example with slavery, do you believe that should be left up to the states again? And why or why not?

Who are you wanting to enslave?

 

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[Doublestandards]

Who are you wanting to enslave?

I don’t want to enslave anyone. I’m asking you, do you think the states should have the right to decide if they want to enslave black people again, should that be left up to the states?

 

[vantexan]

I don’t want to enslave anyone. I’m asking you, do you think the states should have the right to decide if they want to enslave black people again, should that be left up to the states?

It's a moot point. Decided long ago. But I think slavery is under the Federal Constitution because it's decided at that level who is a citizen and who isn't. We have an amendment for it. So if you want a national law approving abortion you'll have to get the Constitution amended. What you want is a strong central government that makes quick decisions that you approve of. And never makes decisions that others approve of that you don't. Exactly why we have States rights and an arduous Constitutional amendment process. So that one group doesn't always get its way and in effect become a dictatorship.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

I hear you. But my point is, if you believe the fetuses have rights, and it’s murdering a baby, why not do a national abortion ban?

Because no one on this forum has the authority to ban abortion.
Hope this helps.

Im asking why the Republican Party doesn’t endorse a national abortion ban.

Because every republican politician doesn't have the exact same opinion about it.

Hope this helps.

 

[Doublestandards]

Hope this helps.

new catchphrase of the day

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

new catchphrase of the day

Glad I could help you understand.
You're welcome.

 

[Doublestandards]

It's a moot point. Decided long ago. But I think slavery is under the Federal Constitution because it's decided at that level who is a citizen and who isn't. We have an amendment for it. So if you want a national law approving abortion you'll have to get the Constitution amended. What you want is a strong central government that makes quick decisions that you approve of. And never makes decisions that others approve of that you don't. Exactly why we have States rights and an arduous Constitutional amendment process. So that one group doesn't always get its way and in effect become a dictatorship.

Appreciate your thoughts.

If you had a choice, would you rather the decision of abortion be left up to the states, or rather have an amendment the way slavery does? And do you think the ammendment for slavery was the right choice or should that have stayed to the states as well?

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

If you had a choice, would you rather the decision of abortion be left up to the states, or rather have an amendment the way slavery does?

No chance you'll get enough Democrats to moderate their position enough to get an amendment.

Trump is floating a moderate position and your party is pretending he's a character from the handmaid's tale.

Democrats don't want compromise, they want to destroy the filibuster and force their will on the people through legislation.

 

[vantexan]

Appreciate your thoughts.

If you had a choice, would you rather the decision of abortion be left up to the states, or rather have an amendment the way slavery does? And do you think the ammendment for slavery was the right choice or should that have stayed to the states as well?

Sorry, not playing your game.