The Ballot mess!

[Irishman Collins]

The situation is unprecedented because in areas where the health insurance is changing dramatically. The members have rallied against our leadership and this isn't a T.D.U. political move. This is Rank and file members standing against the I.B.T. attempting to force a health benefit that no one in these areas wants. The I.B.T. knew that the majority were already in Central States and counted on that vote along with the uninformed vote to push this through with absolutely no thought of how areas that are currently in other plans would react. They saw an opportunity and took full advantage of the situation. All at the expense of the members in those respective areas.

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[upschuck]

The situation is unprecedented because in areas where the health insurance is changing dramatically. The members have rallied against our leadership and this isn't a T.D.U. political move. This is Rank and file members standing against the I.B.T. attempting to force a health benefit that no one in these areas wants. The I.B.T. knew that the majority were already in Central States and counted on that vote along with the uninformed vote to push this through with absolutely no thought of how areas that are currently in other plans would react. They saw an opportunity and took full advantage of the situation. All at the expense of the members in those respective areas.

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Do you know that management has to pay $150/per/month if they smoke, and their rates have dramatically have risen in the recent past? Would you be willing to pay that, and ever increasing premiums? I think that most all Teamcare haters are afraid of the change. I've been on it for well over 20 years, and it is gooooood.

 

[Anonymous 12]

Do you know that management has to pay $150/per/month if they smoke, and their rates have dramatically have risen in the recent past? Would you be willing to pay that, and ever increasing premiums? I think that most all Teamcare haters are afraid of the change. I've been on it for well over 20 years, and it is gooooood.

People are creatures of habit and scared of change.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

In our area supervisors, retirees, leave of absence employees have been receiving ballots for the Ohio Rider.

Have you compiled a verifiable list, and brought this to the attention of your Local ??

And who is monitoring the DOL?

Any member in good standing can be present at the vote count.

Are you trying to lay groundwork for saying vote was rigged?

Yep.

That just would take to much time and isn't sexy enough for the DOL. The DOL doesn't care about the accuracy of our contract count. They only care if they can find a story that would make the headlines.

That's in their "mission statement"....

For those of you that want to blame the T.D.U., I haven't seen one flier come from that organization or one T.D.U. leader out campaigning with Vote No guys.

There was a coordinated effort around the state, to hand out flyers.... 2 weeks ago.



-Bug-

 

[Anonymous 12]

Have you compiled a verifiable list, and brought this to the attention of your Local ??



Any member in good standing can be present at the vote count.



Yep.



That's in their "mission statement"....

There was a coordinated effort around the state, to hand out flyers.... 2 weeks ago.



-Bug-

Yea they had some kind of secret meeting.

 

[Irishman Collins]

Big Union guy, we are currently working on such a list but honestly we realize that the DOL is going to do nothing in regards to our concerns.

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[Stonefish]

Big Union guy, we are currently working on such a list but honestly we realize that the DOL is going to do nothing in regards to our concerns.

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Are you going to the count

 

[Irishman Collins]

Lol! Good TRY!

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[Irishman Collins]

Stonefish, even though I think you are on the wrong side of this argument. I do find your responses some what witty and intelligent. I enjoy the banter.

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[Stonefish]

Lol! Good TRY!

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It's a legit question if you think there is something inappropriate going on you should be there to make sure that bad old IBT does it right so you can go to the DOL with your findings. That is of course unless you just like to throw thing out to see what sticks

 

[Irishman Collins]

Upschuck, do u really think that if we had strong negotiators that we would be subject to the same kind of restrictions? For years now members in the company plan have had better health care than mgmt and currently we pay nothing whereas they pay for theirs. Again with strong leadership and a full house there was never a reason to lose to a pair. The leverage was all ours and we got our collective ass's beat.

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[Stonefish]

Stonefish, even though I think you are on the wrong side of this argument. I do find your responses some what witty and intelligent. I enjoy the banter.

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I enjoy the banter also but with all of your theories you should go to the count and back up your words. Get your list together go to the count and make your protests know. Don't just do it on this internet site. Put your big boy pants on

 

[Stonefish]

Upschuck, do u really think that if we had strong negotiators that we would be subject to the same kind of restrictions? For years now members in the company plan have had better health care than mgmt and currently we pay nothing whereas they pay for theirs. Again with strong leadership and a full house there was never a reason to lose to a pair. The leverage was all ours and we got our collective ass's beat.

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I know I asked you this before but I gotta ask again how many contracts have you negotiated? How much do you know about negotiations and since you know so much about what were the alternatives? Oh that's right UPS has deeeepp pockets that the answer.

 

[Irishman Collins]

Stonefish, no worries we have people there and I think it's others that need their big boy pants on. We are united in our efforts. We are fighting both sides. I think that requires some mighty big pants if you ask me.

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[Irishman Collins]

Stonefish, I havent negotiated any contracts but I certainly know when I have a full house

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[Irishman Collins]

The alternatives, were negotiate for your members not the well being of Central States

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[Stonefish]

Stonefish, no worries we have people there and I think it's others that need their big boy pants on. We are united in our efforts. We are fighting both sides. I think that requires some mighty big pants if you ask me.

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That's funny

 

[upschuck]

Upschuck, do u really think that if we had strong negotiators that we would be subject to the same kind of restrictions? For years now members in the company plan have had better health care than mgmt and currently we pay nothing whereas they pay for theirs. Again with strong leadership and a full house there was never a reason to lose to a pair. The leverage was all ours and we got our collective ass's beat.

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And what would you have been willing to give up? You do realize that HC premiums have skyrocketed in the past 5 years by 10-15 percent in those years which means 60-101% increase in premiums. You already claim that they gave up too much, so they went to a very good alternative.

They are going to continue to make big profits, they have to since they went public. To do that, they can either raise prices or limit costs, or a combination of the two. If they raise prices too high, our shippers will go elsewhere, leaving us less work, declining profits, and less money in our pockets. That is the reality of the beast we work for.

 

[Stonefish]

Stonefish, I havent negotiated any contracts but I certainly know when I have a full house

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You think it's a good hand until the other player has a straight flush. Don't know poker either

 

[Stonefish]

The alternatives, were negotiate for your members not the well being of Central States

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You mean our co workers and where is your proof on the well being of Central States. Stop trying to give yourself away again.