The Express employee massacre continues.

Spam

Well-Known Member
You keep repeating this.

How does FedEx going to an all employee model make FedEx more successful? "UPS does it" is not an answer. I'm asking you, and you specifically, how an all employee model is better for the company's performance.
Ups makes twice the profit on each pkg then fedex, isn’t that the end goal for fedex?
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
It's Bacha Jr!!!!

The flexibility is the ability to use FedEx employees to preserve service, as needed, on higher margin products and to handle other issues that might arise beyond whatever volume and area they'd cover in a colocation.
I seriously doubt that FedEx will keep that many company drivers around especially not in collocation buildings where contractor’s drivers are delivering pools and mattresses for a fraction of what the company drivers make.
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
Tell me why FedEx would make more money by ditching the contractor model.
They’d have professional drivers that give a crap. I know the company wants to say driver turnover is the contractor’s problem, but we know from accidents, claims, and general perception that that’s not the case. A revolving door of drivers is bad. A revolving door of contractors is far worse.
 

Spam

Well-Known Member
They’d have professional drivers that give a crap. I know the company wants to say driver turnover is the contractor’s problem, but we know from accidents, claims, and general perception that that’s not the case. A revolving door of drivers is bad. A revolving door of contractors is far worse.
Bingo!!! You’d think fedex would make more per pkg with all the cheap labor. The number one question I get from customers is what happened to fedex. Fedex could be the next Kodak.
 

59 Dano

I just want to make friends!
I seriously doubt that FedEx will keep that many company drivers around especially not in collocation buildings where contractor’s drivers are delivering pools and mattresses for a fraction of what the company drivers make.
That's why I said to preserve service on higher margin service offerings. Ultra cheap deferred EOD residential freight? Nope.

Why do you think they're keeping any around? The primary reason is to preserve service that would be too difficult or impossible for Ground to make. The second reason is to help put out fires if Ground has issues in that location.
 

59 Dano

I just want to make friends!
They’d have professional drivers that give a crap. I know the company wants to say driver turnover is the contractor’s problem, but we know from accidents, claims, and general perception that that’s not the case. A revolving door of drivers is bad. A revolving door of contractors is far worse.

Oh, I agree that a more stable workforce is preferred. No doubt.

But let's say FedEx goes all-employee and no contractors. Does the increase in expenses create additional revenue? No. Does it maintain or increase margins? No. Does it offer any bottom line benefit at all? No.
 

59 Dano

I just want to make friends!
How many years have we had the contractor model, they’ve proven they have no clue how to run it this way🤦🏻‍♂️
Everyone seems certain that an all-employee model would increase FedEx profits significantly, but no one can explain how that would work. Go figure!

As for the contractor model, how many years have we had it and its margins were much higher than those of Express?
 

MAKAVELI

Well-Known Member
Everyone seems certain that an all-employee model would increase FedEx profits significantly, but no one can explain how that would work. Go figure!

As for the contractor model, how many years have we had it and its margins were much higher than those of Express?
How? Increase in productivity, service, quality control, safety, customer retention and acquisition, etc.,etc......
 

Aquaman

Well-Known Member
Everyone seems certain that an all-employee model would increase FedEx profits significantly, but no one can explain how that would work. Go figure!

As for the contractor model, how many years have we had it and its margins were much higher than those of Express?
Spoken like a true upper :censored2: who thinks the driver in the truck, face to face with the customer, with the package in his hands, has nothing to do with profit. It’s the only thing that actually brings in profit. Having them be company employees allows the company to actually maintain its standards.
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
Oh, I agree that a more stable workforce is preferred. No doubt.

But let's say FedEx goes all-employee and no contractors. Does the increase in expenses create additional revenue? No. Does it maintain or increase margins? No. Does it offer any bottom line benefit at all? No.
We’ve seen how far stock prices can fall. If they do not get this right, and the stock tanks again, how do they reassure investors that they have a workable plan? That they are the right people to see it through? And if the contractor model fails, who’s going to come to work as a company courier knowing that the company is eyeballing a contractor model? Where’s the trust going to be?

They’ve had massive failures rolling out programs. They cannot afford to get this wrong. Unfortunately, I’m guessing they haven’t looked far enough ahead. They see billions in savings and nothing more. I’m not sure they’ve learned from mistakes.
 

It will be fine

Well-Known Member
We’ve seen how far stock prices can fall. If they do not get this right, and the stock tanks again, how do they reassure investors that they have a workable plan? That they are the right people to see it through? And if the contractor model fails, who’s going to come to work as a company courier knowing that the company is eyeballing a contractor model? Where’s the trust going to be?

They’ve had massive failures rolling out programs. They cannot afford to get this wrong. Unfortunately, I’m guessing they haven’t looked far enough ahead. They see billions in savings and nothing more. I’m not sure they’ve learned from mistakes.
I’m not sure they believe they’ve made any mistake.
 

Guitarman01

Well-Known Member
Everyone seems certain that an all-employee model would increase FedEx profits significantly, but no one can explain how that would work. Go figure!

As for the contractor model, how many years have we had it and its margins were much higher than those of Express?
UPS specializes in ground PKG delivery and consistently outperforms FedEx in terms of revenue and service despite paying it's employees almost double what an express driver makes let alone a contracted one. The inefficiency was FedEx's fault to begin with, not the employees. One truck, one area, one service would obviously cost less in general, contractor model or not.
 

Mutineer

Well-Known Member
Spoken like a true upper :censored2: who thinks the driver in the truck, face to face with the customer, with the package in his hands, has nothing to do with profit. It’s the only thing that actually brings in profit. Having them be company employees allows the company to actually maintain its standards.

I think those "standards" you speak of will go the way of the dodo.

And all those really super smart office weenies at FedEx thinks so too.

Those standards don't matter anymore. FedEx is intentionally aiming low.
 

SmithBarney

Well-Known Member
Just make sure you remind your customers what is slated to happen.. I have several larger customers who when told about it will go all UPS. Tell them Ground is going to take most Express packages, and half or more of your express drivers are losing their jobs(dano will say its voluntary resignation.. FedEx will offer you PT or go relocate somewhere else which will probably close soon also...not really voluntary when given such horrible choices) Sorry Ground, I wish it wasn't this way, I have commercial customers that have nothing nice to say about the service they "receive" and will have no problem switching to UPS.
 
Top