The Immigration Issue
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moreluck
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Sometimes there are "rules" I just don't understand.
On a special about gangs composed of illegals.......if the police in L.A. see a person they know to be here illegally, they cannot arrest them until they are caught doing something wrong. Seems to me that the person has already done something wrong by entering the country illegally. The police say their hands are tied on this one. I really don't get it.
On a special about gangs composed of illegals.......if the police in L.A. see a person they know to be here illegally, they cannot arrest them until they are caught doing something wrong. Seems to me that the person has already done something wrong by entering the country illegally. The police say their hands are tied on this one. I really don't get it.
tie,
Since you like to change facts to suit yourself, let's review what I actually said
You see, I am for stronger enforcement of our borders, but that has to be funded. I am for punishing those who smuggle people across the border. I am for punishing employers that knowingly hire illegal workers, and punishing them in a way that would convince them not to do it again, ie: serious monetary fines, and perhaps mandatory jail time for repeat offenders. Give those already here a legal status enabling them to work and pay taxes, and give them a path towards citizenship in 5-6 years, providing the stay out of trouble, hold a job, and learn English. America was and continues to be built by immigrants chasing the American Dream, that is what this country was founded on. Sealing the borders is not an option, and is impossible, in any case. Do you have any real ideas? Do you agree with what Bush has privately told our lawmakers his intentions are?
Since you like to change facts to suit yourself, let's review what I actually said
Low and behold, the source goes to an op-ed written by a right-wing pundit quoting Heather MacDonald. It was not a piece written by the LA Times, any more than an Ann Coulter or Michelle Malkin column can be attributed to whatever newspaper they are published in. When one sources figures as coming from the LA Times, one should be able to prove it. An op-ed or letter to the editor is not the same thing.
My opinion, which I have stated, is to enforce the laws, but give those here a path towards citizenship. Don't break up families. Deport those who engage in a crime (other than the crime of being in America), Learn English, hold a job, stay out of trouble, and a path towards cictizenship should be made available. Never have I called for immediate citizenship or amnesty. Reagan tried that, and guess what? It didn't work!tie said:
You stated 12 million in S. California. That is a made up number. The rest of what you said makes no sense, what is 'asinging'?tie doing his Reagan impression said:
You see, I am for stronger enforcement of our borders, but that has to be funded. I am for punishing those who smuggle people across the border. I am for punishing employers that knowingly hire illegal workers, and punishing them in a way that would convince them not to do it again, ie: serious monetary fines, and perhaps mandatory jail time for repeat offenders. Give those already here a legal status enabling them to work and pay taxes, and give them a path towards citizenship in 5-6 years, providing the stay out of trouble, hold a job, and learn English. America was and continues to be built by immigrants chasing the American Dream, that is what this country was founded on. Sealing the borders is not an option, and is impossible, in any case. Do you have any real ideas? Do you agree with what Bush has privately told our lawmakers his intentions are?
wkmac said:
Kyl, through his spokesperson, has agreed to a debate on the immigration issue. This is good for Pederson. His views are much more realistic to most folks, and in line with McCain's. Pederson is trailing Kyl in all polls, though some show him closing the gap... http://www.swingstateproject.com/2006/04/azsen_finally_s.php
Kyl's numbers continue to fall, especially his disapproval numbers (which are rising), but he is an incumbant, so that makes him hard to unseat. It's still early in AZ for the hard core campaigning to get under way. Ask again in a few months. You can always check http://www.surveyusa.com/home.html for fairly accurate polling.
I wouldn't be shocked to see this battle get very ugly before its over.
moreluck
golden ticket member
It may be early for campaigning, but my phone rings several times each evening.....during prime time TV.....and it's those d*mn recordings of the politician's asking for my vote. You answer the phone and say "hello" and there's a bit of a silent pause and then all at once you hear, "Hi, my name is so & so and I'm running for whatever...."
Irritating !
Irritating !
OldUPSDriver
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Moreluck, you need the "Telezapper" that terminates computer generated calls. I bought mine online and it is wonderful!!
moreluck said:
You know moreluck, I actually agree with you on this one. I think a better approach by the artists would have been to sing it in both Spanish and English, and use it as a learning tool. Just don't ask me to do the arrangement! A better song for this might be "America the Beautiful". Have you listened to the Neil Young Version yet? Can't help but getting a bit misty listening to it. ...crown thy good with brotherhood...
rushfan
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Yo pienso que nuestro gobierno necisita enforsar las leyes en los libros, no necicitan hacer nuevos reglas concierniente imigracion.
IMHO the government needs to enforce the laws that are already on the books, not waste money and time (as they are good at) to make up some more laws.
Have you ever read "the grapes of wrath"? Who picked the fruit. Those from the dust bowl of America. There was no welfare then, if they didn't work, they didn't eat.
Now due to welfare, lazy people don't want to work in the fields. I did when I was a kid, and I'm not an illegal alien. I could use the hoe (not prostitute) with the best of them. Cut the welfare benefits to those who are able bodied, and make them do the work. Hell, I did.
Why don't we pressure Sr. Fox to clean up the corruption in the Mexican government, than those who cross our borders will want to stay there. They will want to.
My grandmother immigrated to this country. She paid alot to become a citizen of the United States. If we give these protesting thugs free citizenship, will my grandmother get a refund of all the money she spent?
Just my 2 cents.
IMHO the government needs to enforce the laws that are already on the books, not waste money and time (as they are good at) to make up some more laws.
Have you ever read "the grapes of wrath"? Who picked the fruit. Those from the dust bowl of America. There was no welfare then, if they didn't work, they didn't eat.
Now due to welfare, lazy people don't want to work in the fields. I did when I was a kid, and I'm not an illegal alien. I could use the hoe (not prostitute) with the best of them. Cut the welfare benefits to those who are able bodied, and make them do the work. Hell, I did.
Why don't we pressure Sr. Fox to clean up the corruption in the Mexican government, than those who cross our borders will want to stay there. They will want to.
My grandmother immigrated to this country. She paid alot to become a citizen of the United States. If we give these protesting thugs free citizenship, will my grandmother get a refund of all the money she spent?
Just my 2 cents.
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The attachment is not working but is showing up as a bunch of code. Sorry
It is a commentary about the immigration laws, in Mexico.
It is a commentary about the immigration laws, in Mexico.
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retiredone
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moreluck said:
Why should anyone take the US congress seriously? They are debating how to amend existing law to accomodate folks who have already broken immigration law. Let's be serious. More people will violate whatever they come up with; and 10 years from now we will be talking about new immigration "reform" to accomodate the next batch of violators. The same point can be applied to Bush violating FISA. The issue never was about the ability to monitor possible threats. The issue is that Bush chose to ignore the law (congress) by not disclosing surveilance after the fact to the special FISA court. Now congress is accomodating him by discussing changes to the law. If congress wants to be taken seriously, the starting point for any revision to law is to insist on enforcement of existing law.
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retiredone
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tieguy said:
