THE REALITY OF THE U.P.S. CONTRACT

[Irishman Collins]

I don't care. You are nuts.

I assume this guy is nuts as well. The point is brothers and sisters. Regardless of whether you are a vote yes or no person doesn't matter. What matters is if this passes you will be participating in an "unsustainable plan" and this is unacceptable in my opinion!

 

[Stonefish]

I would believe your response to my post was witty and funny, if i was seven! lol!

Stop acting like it you won't get treated like it

 

[Irishman Collins]

Stop acting like it you won't get treated like it

I guess I am acting like a child according to Stonefish. lol! Anyway here is another Union leader talking about Obama Care and Taft Hartley Plans.

 

[Stonefish]

I guess I am acting like a child according to Stonefish. lol! Anyway here is another Union leader talking about Obama Care and Taft Hartley Plans.

Just think.... you will be in TeamCare

 

[upschuck]

Question : If you think that Teamcare is unsustainable, then why do you think the "much better" UPS plan is sustainable? They are meeting in 2016(?) to relook and tweak the HC contributions. They could cut UPS's plan then too, and no vote.

 

[Ron Carey lives on]

Wow duped by hoffa jr, come on guys. A former corporate lawyer, no way

 

[oldngray]

New troll account?

 

[Stonefish]

Wow duped by hoffa jr, come on guys. A former corporate lawyer, no way

Ron Carey Lives On - If he does its not in 804

 

[Irishman Collins]

Question : If you think that Teamcare is unsustainable, then why do you think the "much better" UPS plan is sustainable? They are meeting in 2016(?) to relook and tweak the HC contributions. They could cut UPS's plan then too, and no vote.

There is a difference between possible cuts and an "unsustainable plan", one is a possibility and the other a definite. In addition, if our health care is in the hands of the Union and Central States there is nothing a member can do to express his grievance if changes, cuts occur. Currently if the Company changes the conditions of our health care this can be grieved and correct me if i am wrong but we currently still have the ability to take strike action if the company breeches the contract.

 

[Stonefish]

There is a difference between possible cuts and an "unsustainable plan", one is a possibility and the other a definite. In addition, if our health care is in the hands of the Union and Central States there is nothing a member can do to express his grievance if changes, cuts occur. Currently if the Company changes the conditions of our health care this can be grieved and correct me if i am wrong but we currently still have the ability to take strike action if the company breeches the contract.

And if you do strike under the company plan they cut your benefits. that didn't happen to people in the Central States Plan in 97. Also the Company can change your benefits it is subject to the summary plan description and the trustees of the plan. You know this B.

 

[Ron Carey lives on]

Stonefish add up your raises you would have for the life 2013 contract, thats probably what you will pay in healthcare

 

[Stonefish]

Stonefish add up your raises you would have for the life 2013 contract, thats probably what you will pay in healthcare

What are you talking about? Healthcare to raises? What?

 

[Irishman Collins]

And if you do strike under the company plan they cut your benefits. that didn't happen to people in the Central States Plan in 97. Also the Company can change your benefits it is subject to the summary plan description and the trustees of the plan. You know this B.

The company has to meet with local Unions before changing any current plans and the issue can be grieved currently. In 97, we had leadership willing to fight for its members. Now it is far from it. If we were to strike today. We might as well put picket signs outside of the Marble palace because believe me. If strike authorization is granted do you think all of a sudden the I.B.T. will back their members who do not want this "Unsustainable Health Plan", Hell no, they will blame it on the "stupid members who just don't get it." So i feel pretty comfortable that with this current administration we will never strike.

 

[jumpman23]

Just be glad a lot of us are going to be retiring in the next 5 to 15 years, cause its going to get so much more terrible for the guys and gals coming up in the next 20 years.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Just be glad a lot of us are going to be retiring in the next 5 to 15 years, cause its going to get so much more terrible for the guys and gals coming up in the next 20 years.

Employees retiring in the next 5 to 15 years may be the last of the career hourly UPSers.

 

[upschuck]

Who says the company plan is sustainable? Why do you think they raised their rates so high?

 

[Irishman Collins]

Jumpman, that is one of my points. As this health plan becomes unsustainable. There will be no one retiring. The minimum age to retire with benefits will increase as the plan becomes unsustainable. You will be lucky to retire at a reasonable age in 5 to 15 years

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[upschuck]

Employees retiring in the next 5 to 15 years may be the last of the career hourly UPSers.

don't stop at the hourly.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

don't stop at the hourly.

I've been told I need to speak only from that with which I am familiar but, yes, the same will hold true for our Partners.

 

[Bubblehead]

Question : If you think that Teamcare is unsustainable, then why do you think the "much better" UPS plan is sustainable? They are meeting in 2016(?) to relook and tweak the HC contributions. They could cut UPS's plan then too, and no vote.

I can't speak for Irishman Collins, despite 407's disillusion (I think he believes we are one in the same, poor fella), I know UPS is in a much better position to absorb and maintain the plan financially than the Central States and the IBT.
In the Central Region where I reside, we would be able to strike the company if they failed to maintain the plan at the same level from the 1st day to the last of the collective bargaining agreement.
The company, under their plans, have had the right to reduce our level of benefits in all of the previous contracts but haven't saw fit to even try.
In light of record profits in an expanding market, the company would be hard pressed to make a case to reduce benefits.
Instead, the company has shouldered the increasing financial burden throughout the duration of those agreements.
What has happened to make us think that they couldn't continue to shoulder that burden for a workforce who mortgages their bodies to make UPS million$?
How can we possibly think locking the company into a predetermined, defined, 5 year financial healthcare obligation to be a good thing for UPS Teamsters in light of the undeniably unstable trends of the healthcare industry?