Iraq was a huge late empire blunder
The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming!
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Russia doesnt want a hostile usa lead military alliance pointed at them
Just like usa felt about cuba during missle crisis
Its not peaceful at all. ur selling weapons by the billions to every new nato memberYou know guys america and nato’s peaceful diplomatic involvement in the area is the realing problem, how dare them try to lead Ukraine away from Putin and his oligarch’s control over their government. Like what the
Sounds like some1 needs to watch mote abby wabby martinnn
I’m not saying you do care. But i think it’s a stretch to continue to blame Biden for Putin’s actions. Where does it end?
It’s like blaming Sadat Hussein for W deciding to invade Iraq. It’s the kind of immature thinking that teenagers do.
wilberforce15
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I didn't blame Biden for Putin's actions. First, 'blame' is a moral claim. I'm talking about predictable and stupid chess moves.
Second, Biden wasn't a primary mover behind pushing for Ukraine into Nato.
We overthrew Ukraine's government under Obama. We pushed the Baltics into NATO under Clinton and W. All of these were stupid.
NATO started pushing East right after the wall fell, contrary to our promises. The entire administrative state and military apparatus pushed for this for 2 decades.
Putin let us push right up against his borders repeatedly before the rabid dog lashed out. It actually took longer than I expected.
wilberforce15
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So the democrats pushed Putin into the corner and held him there and now he’s stuck and in a very untenable position. Bogging down militarily. Losing top generals on the battlefield. Tanking economy and generally not having a real good time of it.
Sounds to me like Putin’s the stupid one.
I will remember this the next time I hear Trumpsters try to convince themselves that Trump was harder on Putin than democrats ever had the balls to be.
wilberforce15
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You are refusing to even read accurately. I don't believe you're that unintelligent.
Republicans and Democrats both pushed NATO to the east for the past two decades. And they're both stupid for it. Boomer Republicans with a Cold War Fetish are just as bad as the commie-Collusion-Hoax-Attempted-Coup Democrats.
At the end of the day, Trump is the only one that Putin didn't try to expand under, and you have to answer that.
Fred's Myth
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So, independent countries (Baltics), desiring to remain independent, decide NATO (a defensive alliance) is in their self-interest. Russia perceives this as a threat, and pre-emptively strikes back by invading, thereby justifying NATO desirability to Russian border countries.
Russia is imperialistic. Your defense of them is indefensible.
wilberforce15
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I haven't defended Russia.
I have explained that chess moves are very predictable, and when you give Putin one option, he is going to take it. You cannot push NATO to cover every part of Russia's border, topple governments friendly to Putin and replace them with Western ones, and then be shocked (Shocked! I say!) to see him stop Ukraine from joining.
Countries don't decide to join NATO so much as NATO decides to absorb countries.
Erdogan is a NATO member for pete's sake.
wilberforce15
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Put your Cold War Fetish to the side for a second.
Look at the map.
And tell me how a Russian dictator isn't supposed to see us as the aggressor.
wilberforce15
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If you color in NATO (or proposed/attempted NATO), it looks like we're trying to......do something to him, lol.
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fishtm2001
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Thank God Trump Isn’t President Right Now
Biden isn’t perfect, but he beats the alternative.
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BrownFlush
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Yeah Yeah Yeah
Kill Kill….. Kill Kill Kill the Putin Man
Kill Kill….. Kill Kill Kill the Putin Man
Fred's Myth
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wilberforce15
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Ummm, okay.
El Correcto
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Selling weapons to a country defending themselves after overthrowing Russian oligarch and Putin’s control of their government is peaceful. There is nothing wrong with doing that, it is giving a democracy the capacity to defend itself.
I have listened to Abby Martin, 3 hours of her lying about Israel while ignoring Hamas and Palestinian authority, propagandizing on behalf of Islamist extremists. She is an idiot, she didn’t even know what caused the Muslims to riot in Israel, she lied and lied and lied.
You need to turn off Abby Martin.
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