The Scourge of America with Integrity (On Topic Only Please)

vantexan

Well-Known Member
I think he was afraid of the commies and socialists too which is why he taxed the rich as a reform instead of revolution. remember usa had a red scare not long after fdr. could it be because of what happened while fdr was in power?
No, America had a red scare because intellectuals at universities were enamored with what was happening with the Soviet Union. Marxism had become popular and the Russians were actually implementing it. Exciting time to be a Marxist. It was decades later that the attraction waned when people started realizing that Marxism didn't deliver prosperity and could only be kept in place with guns.
 

rickyb

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No, America had a red scare because intellectuals at universities were enamored with what was happening with the Soviet Union. Marxism had become popular and the Russians were actually implementing it. Exciting time to be a Marxist. It was decades later that the attraction waned when people started realizing that Marxism didn't deliver prosperity and could only be kept in place with guns.
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qdg2

Well-Known Member
A lot of people see FDR as a socialist. But he specifically asked for a 100% tax bracket to pay for the war. And those who identified as communists back then were a very small group of people in relation to the general population.
Still are.
 

qdg2

Well-Known Member
But a lot of young adults these days seem attracted to Marxism.
A lot? BTW, all are Democrats.

A lot of young adults couldn't tell you what Marxism is or who Marx was.....or that he is(ongoing) responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths.

My Family was severely devastated by my Father's early heart attack and stroke(39)(he never worked again). So, things were pretty tight until my adulthood. During that time and after, communism never entered my mind as a solution. For very obvious reasons as any reasonably intelligent person would conclude. If I didn't have enough of whatever I needed and wanted.....I worked longer and harder(mowing grass weekends).

It is estimated that fewer than 10% of ALL Americans are communist/socialist(All Democrat). Less of the really far out loons that currently occupy the White House/Congress(All Democrats) etc.

It is interesting how communist/socialist/liberal/democrat politics are soft-peddled so openly in media and the Congress. Especially here on BC. More interesting is the disconnect of voting for these policies/politicians and not accepting blame/effect. Truly disingenuous.... I believe a term used here on BC.

As a seasoned adult(61)........it's hard to imagine ANYONE longing for the Nazi holocaust, murdering of hundreds of millions of Russians, Chinese and any other communist(Marxist) regime. BTW, these historical facts and their discussion have been labeled (on BC)"disrespectful" and uncivilized......impolite. Every communist(Marxist) regime has ended and continues to use murder and force by gun to exist.

There is a small but growing call for college donations and endowments to be defunded.

Canceling and censoring won't make these simple truth's go away.
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
A lot of people see FDR as a socialist. But he specifically asked for a 100% tax bracket to pay for the war. And those who identified as communists back then were a very small group of people in relation to the general population.
Fdr came from a rich family and he also said his greatest achievement was that he saved capitalism, so i wouldnt call him a socialist. he passed the new deal because he was afraid of organized unions, socialists, and commies. i dont know how to measure the amount of commies in america at the time but you dont need much to have a revolution something like 1% of the population. FDR also saw what happened to russia 30 year before. ive heard him described as being a centrist who was pushed to the left because he was afraid.
 

Integrity

Binge Poster
Fdr came from a rich family and he also said his greatest achievement was that he saved capitalism, so i wouldnt call him a socialist. he passed the new deal because he was afraid of organized unions, socialists, and commies. i dont know how to measure the amount of commies in america at the time but you dont need much to have a revolution something like 1% of the population. FDR also saw what happened to russia 30 year before. ive heard him described as being a centrist who was pushed to the left because he was afraid.
FDR was U.S. president committed to greater equality I believe he saw that US lawmakers devoted to helping the rich hold the upper hand.

I believe he wanted to level the playing field and encourage parity of political power. I believe he saw how the rich used lawmakers to keep themselves at the advantage to the expense of others.

Seems like he was ahead of his times. It is common place for sports leagues to use salary caps and luxury tax to promote parity and discourage the use of accumulated wealth to gain an unreasonable advantage.
 

Fred's Myth

Nonhyphenated American
FDR was U.S. president committed to greater equality I believe he saw that US lawmakers devoted to helping the rich hold the upper hand.

I believe he wanted to level the playing field and encourage parity of political power. I believe he saw how the rich used lawmakers to keep themselves at the advantage to the expense of others.

Seems like he was ahead of his times. It is common place for sports leagues to use salary caps and luxury tax to promote parity and discourage the use of accumulated wealth to gain an unreasonable advantage.
Your analogy fails. The salary cap effectively only limits the player’s income, not the team owners.
 

Thebrownblob

Well-Known Member
You missed the point as well.
Nope the only thing you’re silly idea would do would make sure those making the rules would have all the power and money accomplishing exactly the opposite of what you thought you were going to do. People would suffer because of your ignorance. Thankfully, you’re in charge of nothing.
 

Integrity

Binge Poster
Nope the only thing you’re silly idea would do would make sure those making the rules would have all the power and money accomplishing exactly the opposite of what you thought you were going to do. People would suffer because of your ignorance. Thankfully, you’re in charge of nothing.
At least under my idea it probably wouldn’t be your money they are abusing American Society with, it would be mostly their own.

I know it wouldn’t be mine.
 

Thebrownblob

Well-Known Member
At least under my idea it probably wouldn’t be your money they are abusing American Society with, it would be mostly their own.

I know it wouldn’t be mine.
Lol that’s a really terrible philosophy for life. I’m a little disappointed that that’s the way you think.
 

Fred's Myth

Nonhyphenated American
At least under my idea it probably wouldn’t be your money they are abusing American Society with, it would be mostly their own.

I know it wouldn’t be mine.
Your plan would destroy philanthropy, innovation, and prosperity, in the name of social justice. Your argument is sophomoric. The consequences for removing your conceived burden from you to the ultra wealthy would be worse than the status quo.
And, who would fund your utopia after the first year? After you’ve stripped the wealth from the evil empire? Your Marxist ideology is garbage.
 

qdg2

Well-Known Member
You fail to see the point.

You also only addressed the salary cap and not the luxury tax.

Watch out for the forest the trees are in your way.
You fail to see the point.....too.

No matter how many people you confiscate from.....there will never be equality. That's the human condition. Something you fail to take into consideration. We are NOT all the same....physically or mentally or anything else.

Do we at the point of a gun....up to and including murder......take away from those that are successful.....in whatever measurement? How do we account for physical differences.....defects like alcoholism or drug addiction?

Some are even hindered by religion to the point of failure or weak outcomes.

Who do we punish? Who decides? The strong? The weak?
 

Integrity

Binge Poster
Your plan would destroy philanthropy, innovation, and prosperity, in the name of social justice. Your argument is sophomoric. The consequences for removing your conceived burden from you to the ultra wealthy would be worse than the status quo.
And, who would fund your utopia after the first year? After you’ve stripped the wealth from the evil empire? Your Marxist ideology is garbage.
Remove of a scourge in my opinion could hardly be considered utopia.
 
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