The Thing About OT...

[ThePackageDeli]

You can off with that

I don't understand where the anti-PVD mentality comes from. Please explain it to me.

 

[MyTripisCut]

We are currently under a company directive of 135 stops per car. That's an increase of 7 per car from October and a reduction of 5 routes per day from October. Starting weekending 3/5 we are processing 50+ 9.5 grievances per week. The center manager just shrugs his shoulders and pushes them to labor. I'm sure this will continue until the next directive or the accidents and injuries increase, making it more expensive than it's worth.

That’s how to do it. Good work!

 

[ThePackageDeli]

How about we give that extra volume to your Mom?

How about one of you naysayers add value to the conversation and explain why using PVD's is bad for us or for the company.

 

[MyTripisCut]

How about one of you naysayers add value to the conversation and explain why using PVD's is bad for us or for the company.

I just did. Our job as union employees is to protect our work from non union employees so that union employees that work here after we retire pay into the pension fund and we can have hookers and blow after we retire. C’mon man, smarten up. PVDs won’t be paying into a pension and all the work thirty year employees put in would be for nothing as they would have to get a job greeting fat s in motorized shopping carts at Walmart. Capeche??????

 

[MyTripisCut]

How about one of you naysayers add value to the conversation and explain why using PVD's is bad for us or for the company.

Quit worrying about what’s bad for the company, they make billions every year.

 

[Red Devil]

How about one of you naysayers add value to the conversation and explain why using PVD's is bad for us or for the company.

Yes let’s just let them work year round and do our work for less pay any time we want to go home early. No way the company would take advantage of that situation at all.

 

[Wally]

What is stupid about it? I think it's a good idea.

Scabs undermining the union. What could go wrong?

 

[Wally]

What is stupid about it? I think it's a good idea.

So stupid only the suit monkeys in Atlanta would agree with it, and we all know what Morons they are.

 

[ThePackageDeli]

I just did. Our job as union employees is to protect our work from non union employees so that union employees that work here after we retire pay into the pension fund and we can have hookers and blow after we retire. C’mon man, smarten up. PVDs won’t be paying into a pension and all the work thirty year employees put in would be for nothing as they would have to get a job greeting fat s in motorized shopping carts at Walmart. Capeche??????

Ok, thank you. I don't think about it in that way, but I definitely understand. I personally don't give a damn about the union or the pension. I'm grateful for the nice $40/hr pay rate afforded to us but that's it. Any pension I receive will just be a cherry on top in retirement. My plan is to live off the interest of my investments in retirement which if done properly will amount to way more than the funky little $40k/yr pension. We'd all be better off with a 6% 401k match instead of the pension... I want my company to do well and to prosper. And everyone should as well.

 

[Wally]

Ok, thank you. I don't think about it in that way, but I definitely understand. I personally don't give a damn about the union or the pension. I'm grateful for the nice $40/hr pay rate afforded to us but that's it. Any pension I receive will just be a cherry on top in retirement. My plan is to live off the interest of my investments in retirement which if done properly will amount to way more than the funky little $40k/yr pension. We'd all be better off with a 6% 401k match instead of the pension... I want my company to do well and to prosper. And everyone should as well.

Well without the union the company would still prosper. The rank and file would not though, and would live a lower middle class lifestyle scraping by with very little.

 

[Up In Smoke]

Ok, thank you. I don't think about it in that way, but I definitely understand. I personally don't give a damn about the union or the pension. I'm grateful for the nice $40/hr pay rate afforded to us but that's it. Any pension I receive will just be a cherry on top in retirement. My plan is to live off the interest of my investments in retirement which if done properly will amount to way more than the funky little $40k/yr pension. We'd all be better off with a 6% 401k match instead of the pension... I want my company to do well and to prosper. And everyone should as well.

Your math is extremely flawed. You would rather have a 6% or $1500.00 company match instead of a $24,000.00 contribution to your lifetime pension?

 

[burrheadd]

Ok, thank you. I don't think about it in that way, but I definitely understand. I personally don't give a damn about the union or the pension. I'm grateful for the nice $40/hr pay rate afforded to us but that's it. Any pension I receive will just be a cherry on top in retirement. My plan is to live off the interest of my investments in retirement which if done properly will amount to way more than the funky little $40k/yr pension. We'd all be better off with a 6% 401k match instead of the pension... I want my company to do well and to prosper. And everyone should as well.

Another millionaire in the making
Although this one doesent seem to math very well

 

[Red Devil]

Ok, thank you. I don't think about it in that way, but I definitely understand. I personally don't give a damn about the union or the pension. I'm grateful for the nice $40/hr pay rate afforded to us but that's it. Any pension I receive will just be a cherry on top in retirement. My plan is to live off the interest of my investments in retirement which if done properly will amount to way more than the funky little $40k/yr pension. We'd all be better off with a 6% 401k match instead of the pension... I want my company to do well and to prosper. And everyone should as well.

Let’s say there was no union. What would your recourse be if the company was denying your request for 8 hr days but instead favoring the new off-the-street hire? What would you do if you came in and they told you they only had four hours of work because the PVD took all the resi stops?

 

[ThePackageDeli]

Your math is extremely flawed. You would rather have a 6% or $1500.00 company match instead of a $24,000.00 contribution to your lifetime pension?

The math isn't flawed for someone who plans to max out their contribution every year.

 

[ThePackageDeli]

Let’s say there was no union. What would your recourse be if the company was denying your request for 8 hr days but instead favoring the new off-the-street hire? What would you do if you came in and they told you they only had four hours of work because the PVD took all the resi stops?

I would cease to work for UPS.

 

[Cowboy Mac]

The math isn't flawed for someone who plans to max out their contribution every year.

So you would throw away a perfectly good pension? Why not have 401K, IRA, AND a pension? More is better.

 

[Red Devil]

I would cease to work for UPS.

Well then…be careful what you wish for.

 

[ThePackageDeli]

So you would throw away a perfectly good pension? Why not have 401K, IRA, AND a pension? More is better.

I agree. More is better. But I don't believe in relying heavily on the pension.

 

[MyTripisCut]

I would cease to work for UPS.

Well, I don’t think you lift. That’s for sure.

 

[Up In Smoke]

So, if the company contributed $2k per year for 30 years and you had an average return of 5% over that time span, you would have 150K. You continue to make 5% after you retire, but you take 40k per year. Your company match is gone in less than 5 years. There is a reason companies buy out pension funds and convert to 401k match.