THE TRUMP 2024 THREAD

El Correcto

god is dead
You don’t have to goad china into being a bad actor.
They have been a bad actor for decades.


If China was “goaded” into being a bad actor. The EU was goaded as well. Why don’t they get the China treatment?
 

newfie

Well-Known Member
The strategy was to box China in. He couldn’t do that without leveling tariffs on others as well, to at least appear fair. This exposes China as a global scumbag. Trade partnerships with allies will happen.
i think you totally missed the point here. the strategy is not specific to any one country its a complete revamp of our trade / tariff policy. we are now entering the next phase of that strategy
 

El Correcto

god is dead
Ya’ll lucky there were adults in the room for this one. Trump was :censored2:ting the bed big time and is getting rescued. All it took was a little bit of humility to admit defeat and announce a 90 day pause on the tariffs.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
He said he would jack up the tariffs even more on any country that raised their tariffs rates.

EU announced increased tariffs, he announces a 90 day pause.

He is backing down and taking the off ramp. He is gonna claim his very minor victory instead of driving the economy off a cliff.
 

Box Ox

Well-Known Member
He said he would jack up the tariffs even more on any country that raised their tariffs rates.

EU announced increased tariffs, he announces a 90 day pause.

He is backing down and taking the off ramp. He is gonna claim his very minor victory instead of driving the economy off a cliff.

Hopefully our trade partners and allies will be able to fit in a lot of personal compliments to him over the next 90 days. Nice hair, you're the best golfer/dealmaker, you should be on the $100 bill, statues of you should be built, etc.
 

UnionStrong

Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
Hopefully our trade partners and allies will be able to fit in a lot of personal compliments to him over the next 90 days. Nice hair, you're the best golfer/dealmaker, you should be on the $100 bill, statues of you should be built, etc.
They gotta kiss the ring now. What’s wrong with that? You prefer our president kiss their asses instead? I’m not saying we don’t need them, but part of this new alignment is making them understand that they need us more, we’re the big dog, not them. I don’t have a problem with that.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
Hopefully our trade partners and allies will be able to fit in a lot of personal compliments to him over the next 90 days. Nice hair, you're the best golfer/dealmaker, you should be on the $100 bill, statues of you should be built, etc.
It don’t matter it’s over.

The tariffs will end and he will get a minor victory out of it. I don’t see Trump being dumb enough to do this again. Even his party was openly opposing him on this nonsense within the first few days.

He had to drink the medicine and admit defeat.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
Neville Chamberlain territory? Our trade partners and allies aren't Nazi Germany.

But yes, we could've talked real numbers instead of fake numbers with them and shown them what the stick was if they didn't want to cooperate.
They are very aware of the real numbers. Wouldn't come as a shock to them. Any resistance is they're wanting to keep a competitive advantage in their market while being free to do well in our market to the detriment of our own manufacturers.

Let's be clear about Trump's "fake numbers." Those are derived from the clear advantage other countries have in trade with the U.S. with their protectionist policies. You may feel they're contrived but all those countries know that they've been given a free ride from the U.S. for a very long time. Trump is saying if they want to participate in the world's biggest economy then they'll have to start ponying up. Because too many American citizens are being left behind while the rest of the world advances.
 

Box Ox

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Hopefully our trade partners and allies will be able to fit in a lot of personal compliments to him over the next 90 days. Nice hair, you're the best golfer/dealmaker, you should be on the $100 bill, statues of you should be built, etc.
They gotta kiss the ring

Indeed. If not.....

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Box Ox

Well-Known Member
Neville Chamberlain territory? Our trade partners and allies aren't Nazi Germany.

But yes, we could've talked real numbers instead of fake numbers with them and shown them what the stick was if they didn't want to cooperate.
They are very aware of the real numbers. Wouldn't come as a shock to them.

The real numbers would come as a shock to a lot of Trump voters who have been referring to the fake tariff numbers in their arguments over the last week.

Let's be clear about Trump's "fake numbers." Those are derived from the clear advantage other countries have in trade with the U.S. with their protectionist policies. You may feel they're contrived but all those countries know that they've been given a free ride from the U.S. for a very long time. Trump is saying if they want to participate in the world's biggest economy then they'll have to start ponying up. Because too many American citizens are being left behind while the rest of the world advances.

Some of the highest tariff numbers given on that dumb board were simply small and/or poor countries that obviously can't buy nearly as much from us as we buy from them.
 

UnionStrong

Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
The real numbers would come as a shock to a lot of Trump voters who have been referring to the fake tariff numbers in their arguments over the last week.



Some of the highest tariff numbers given on that dumb board were simply small and/or poor countries that obviously can't be nearly as much from us as we buy from them.
Obviously. But it looked better to have a longer list. It was performance art. But, the results are all that matter.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
The real numbers would come as a shock to a lot of Trump voters who have been referring to the fake tariff numbers in their arguments over the last week.



Some of the highest tariff numbers given on that dumb board were simply small and/or poor countries that obviously can't buy nearly as much from us as we buy from them.
But he's hitting them because they are extremely protectionist. It's not right that they make money off our market but won't even let our goods be sold there. China is the absolute worst for this. They only buy what they absolutely need like soybeans when they can't get it elsewhere. Or aircraft parts. Won't let our cars into their market. And they steal intellectual property.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
The real numbers would come as a shock to a lot of Trump voters who have been referring to the fake tariff numbers in their arguments over the last week.



Some of the highest tariff numbers given on that dumb board were simply small and/or poor countries that obviously can't buy nearly as much from us as we buy from them.
Did you know that Ireland, population 5.3 million, imports more American goods than China does?
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
Neville Chamberlain territory? Our trade partners and allies aren't Nazi Germany.

But yes, we could've talked real numbers instead of fake numbers with them and shown them what the stick was if they didn't want to cooperate.
Neville Chamberlain in that you're wanting appeasement even if it's to our detriment.
 

Box Ox

Well-Known Member
But he's hitting them because they are extremely protectionist. It's not right that they make money off our market but won't even let our goods be sold there. China is the absolute worst for this. They only buy what they absolutely need like soybeans when they can't get it elsewhere. Or aircraft parts. Won't let our cars into their market. And they steal intellectual property.

100% agree on needing to deal with the China situation. We'll be in a much stronger position to do so if we're working intelligently with our trade partners and allies.

Did you know that Ireland, population 5.3 million, imports more American goods than China does?

Are you talking about per capita?

China imports from America: 143.5 billion.

Republic of Ireland imports from America: $18.7 billion
 

Box Ox

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Neville Chamberlain territory? Our trade partners and allies aren't Nazi Germany.

But yes, we could've talked real numbers instead of fake numbers with them and shown them what the stick was if they didn't want to cooperate.
Neville Chamberlain in that you're wanting appeasement even if it's to our detriment.

A lot of the countries on the fake tariff percentages board weren't actually doing anything to us. There was nothing to appease.
 
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