The Truth !

[Bubblehead]

Not sure about UPS's management guys but with very few exceptions the Union negotiators on the National UPS CBA at one time did "your" job.

They need to go back and see what it's really like now.

 

[10 point]

I know Weber did.
They aren't the ones that I was speaking of.
I was reminiscing "some" of the comments prior to ratification of the last CBA.
It isn't a blanket condemnation of all representation.
Thankfully.

There are great things in the contract (vacations, 9.5 list, etc) but often the loss of staple items is a sign of a steady downward slide to come later.

 

[10 point]

They need to go back and see what it's really like now.

Take your clipboard along?

 

[5habits100]

Yeah, I'm grumpy tonite.

Just tonight???????

 

[Irishman Collins]

They need to go back and see what it's really like now.

In the game, so much has changed since our dinosaur negotiators drove a UPS truck. They are completely out of touch. I bet half of them couldn't tell you what a hin number is.

 

[5habits100]

In the game, so much has changed since our dinosaur negotiators drove a UPS truck. They are completely out of touch. I bet half of them couldn't tell you what a hin number is.

I will tell them. It is "Handling Instructions Number". HIN number does not make sense as handling instructions number number. Before you slam them make sure you get it right first.

 

[Inthegame]

In the game, so much has changed since our dinosaur negotiators drove a UPS truck. They are completely out of touch. I bet half of them couldn't tell you what a hin number is.

You've gone round the bend again Irish, but I'll play.
Here's what hasn't changed. UPS has had, and continues to have, many managers that have unreasonable expectations from their employees.
What do you think the union negotiating committee guys do between national contracts? They know intimately what's going on by the constant flow of grievances and terminations that they deal with, and know more about the entire UPS operation than you'll ever understand.
Would you prefer "just out of the truck newbies, who know what a HIN number is" negotiating National Contracts with no experience? Better yet, would you want that fresh newbie trying to save your job, or one of those "out of touch" guys you're ripping? We both know that answer.
The guys negotiating worked in the craft. To get the memories of abuse out of their heads they'd need a lifetime of counseling. They'll never forget.

 

[10 point]

You've gone round the bend again Irish, but I'll play.
Here's what hasn't changed. UPS has had, and continues to have, many managers that have unreasonable expectations from their employees.
What do you think the union negotiating committee guys do between national contracts? They know intimately what's going on by the constant flow of grievances and terminations that they deal with, and know more about the entire UPS operation than you'll ever understand.
Would you prefer "just out of the truck newbies, who know what a HIN number is" negotiating National Contracts with no experience? Better yet, would you want that fresh newbie trying to save your job, or one of those "out of touch" guys you're ripping? We both know that answer.
The guys negotiating worked in the craft. To get the memories of abuse out of their heads they'd need a lifetime of counseling. They'll never forget.

Unlike our GP.
That's why so many identified with Carey.

 

[5habits100]

You've gone round the bend again Irish, but I'll play.
Here's what hasn't changed. UPS has had, and continues to have, many managers that have unreasonable expectations from their employees.
What do you think the union negotiating committee guys do between national contracts? They know intimately what's going on by the constant flow of grievances and terminations that they deal with, and know more about the entire UPS operation than you'll ever understand.
Would you prefer "just out of the truck newbies, who know what a HIN number is" negotiating National Contracts with no experience? Better yet, would you want that fresh newbie trying to save your job, or one of those "out of touch" guys you're ripping? We both know that answer.
The guys negotiating worked in the craft. To get the memories of abuse out of their heads they'd need a lifetime of counseling. They'll never forget.

I can't wait for his/her response

 

[5habits100]

Unlike our GP.
That's why so many identified with Carey.

Are you better today

 

[Inthegame]

Unlike our GP.
That's why so many identified with Carey.

Yes we did. But I'll bet you a donut Hoffa didn't "negotiate" one word in the National Master.

 

[10 point]

Yes we did. But I'll bet you a donut Hoffa didn't "negotiate" one word in the National Master.

You like Bavarian or powdered?

 

[Inthegame]

You like Bavarian or powdered?

I like nuts on donuts and on posts.

 

[10 point]

I like nuts on donuts and on posts.

You came to the right place.

 

[Irishman Collins]

You've gone round the bend again Irish, but I'll play.
Here's what hasn't changed. UPS has had, and continues to have, many managers that have unreasonable expectations from their employees.
What do you think the union negotiating committee guys do between national contracts? They know intimately what's going on by the constant flow of grievances and terminations that they deal with, and know more about the entire UPS operation than you'll ever understand.
Would you prefer "just out of the truck newbies, who know what a HIN number is" negotiating National Contracts with no experience? Better yet, would you want that fresh newbie trying to save your job, or one of those "out of touch" guys you're ripping? We both know that answer.
The guys negotiating worked in the craft. To get the memories of abuse out of their heads they'd need a lifetime of counseling. They'll never forget.

I think it is imperative that our National negotiators as well as all panel members, state, region and national understand the jobs in which they are ruling on. In fact, some negotiators and panel members have never even worked at UPS. I would like the aforementioned to take an interest in learning the job and staying up with the changes. In order to be effective I would think that is what anyone would do in their positions.

 

[5habits100]

I think it is imperative that our National negotiators as well as all panel members, state, region and national understand the jobs in which they are ruling on. In fact, some negotiators and panel members have never even worked at UPS. I would like the aforementioned to take an interest in learning the job and staying up with the changes. In order to be effective I would think that is what anyone would do in their positions.

Where can I sign to get you on the ballot for the IBT? You can tell them what the handling identification number number is.

 

[Bubblehead]

I think it is imperative that our National negotiators as well as all panel members, state, region and national understand the jobs in which they are ruling on. In fact, some negotiators and panel members have never even worked at UPS. I would like the aforementioned to take an interest in learning the job and staying up with the changes. In order to be effective I would think that is what anyone would do in their positions.

In many vocations, it's called "continuing education".

My wife works for a public school system, and in order for her to keep her license, she has to earn "continuing education credits".

Here's food for thought for the guys who are "Inthegame" or "BigUnionGuy's", use these "production rides" as an "argument" to get on the car (or behind it) and see for yourself what you don't understand.
Call it an information request?

In all seriousness, and with all due respect, I believe Inthegame and BUG do know, get it and have done the work, but that makes them special.

If we are to survive as union, we must flatten the curve.
We have too many career politicians along for the ride, making the most of a name gone by.

 

[Bubblehead]

Where can I sign to get you on the ballot for the IBT? You can tell them what the handling identification number number is.

Your "throw your hat in the ring or shut up" argument is stale.

What's your "handling identification #"?

We can't all be IBT President, but we all have a right and duty to contemplate who should and will be.

 

[5habits100]

Your "throw your hat in the ring or shut up" argument is stale.

What's your "handling identification #"?

We can't all be IBT President, but we all have a right and duty to contemplate who should and will be.

That's it?
Who said he needs to run for President ?

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Here's food for thought for the guys who are "Inthegame" or "BigUnionGuy's", use these "production rides" as an "argument" to get on the car (or behind it) and see for yourself what you don't understand.

I must be eating the wrong foods.

Because, I barely understand what you are saying.


Help me out.



-Bug-