Total Service Disruption today?

[MAKAVELI]

Negative. In the districts I worked (Western Region) HR backs mandated breaks after the first hour. An employee took it to corporate HR and was told that management can in fact require breaks during flight delays. I'm speaking specfically about 30-60 minute meal breaks. I am 100% sure this is correct.

I'm in Cali and never have been reprimanded for not going on break while waiting for freight. California meal break law also requires an uninterrupted 30 min break. That means if you have to travel outside the workplace to get food, that time is to be paid. We have a code 43 for a reason and you can not be reprimanded for using it.

 

[newgirl]

Most of the time while "waiting for freight" the belt is still moving. They often don't know when the truck is showing up. That's why there is a code 43.

If they are going to mandate a break then I should have the opportunity to leave my position and my truck and possibly the building to get a meal. Anything involving me touching packages is considered working, kind of like them now paying me 5 minutes to get my keys and my power pad and get to my truck.

And since anyone who works over 8 has to take an hour break, I am not going to take a half early and a half later for their budget.
I don't recall ever waiting for an hour, we launch and come back, so unless hour break is waived, it's not going to happen.

 

[MAKAVELI]

Most of the time while "waiting for freight" the belt is still moving. They often don't know when the truck is showing up. That's why there is a code 43.

If they are going to mandate a break then I should have the opportunity to leave my position and my truck and possibly the building to get a meal. Anything involving me touching packages is considered working, kind of like them now paying me 5 minutes to get my keys and my power pad and get to my truck.

And since anyone who works over 8 has to take an hour break, I am not going to take a half early and a half later for their budget.
I don't recall ever waiting for an hour, we launch and come back, so unless hour break is waived, it's not going to happen.

As long as our breaks are not paid, you are free to leave the building.

 

[Fred's Myth]

And I don't believe there is a one hour limit on the break. When we informed management that we'd be back in a hour and a half or two, their tone suddenly changed.

 

[floridays]

Well here's the thing. You have so many large aircraft going in and out of that airport so quickly. It is difficult to de-ice them all in time for everybody sorts. To de ice a widebody Airbus takes at least 20 minutes add more time if you have to anti ice.

This maybe one of those problems that will never be able to solve without dumping a lot of wasteful cash into deicing equipment that will sit idle 10 months out of the year.

You seem knowledgeable on ramp or hub ops, how long does it take if you run out of de-ice?

 

[Maui]

I'm in Cali and never have been reprimanded for not going on break while waiting for freight. California meal break law also requires an uninterrupted 30 min break. That means if you have to travel outside the workplace to get food, that time is to be paid. We have a code 43 for a reason and you can not be reprimanded for using it.

I'm not sure I understand the travel time getting paid. Can you explain?

Most of the time while "waiting for freight" the belt is still moving. They often don't know when the truck is showing up. That's why there is a code 43.

If they are going to mandate a break then I should have the opportunity to leave my position and my truck and possibly the building to get a meal. Anything involving me touching packages is considered working, kind of like them now paying me 5 minutes to get my keys and my power pad and get to my truck.

And since anyone who works over 8 has to take an hour break, I am not going to take a half early and a half later for their budget.
I don't recall ever waiting for an hour, we launch and come back, so unless hour break is waived, it's not going to happen.

Why would you not be allowed to leave? You are on break. Why would you keep working on break? The belt can be stopped and started easily. Whether or not full hour is waived can be quickly communicated.

And I don't believe there is a one hour limit on the break. When we informed management that we'd be back in a hour and a half or two, their tone suddenly changed.

Management can set the break. It actually seems odd to me to think that those tasked with running the business could NOT make those business decisions.

I'm not sure where else people have worked, but managers usually schedule breaks for non-exempt employees. They tell you when and how long to go on break.

Some of this is on the Senior too. Some are fine with staying in a 43, but others want the break if there will be a delay over 30 minutes. If there was a known delay greater than 30 minutes, then why not take a break if you have a full load of deliveries and pups? To me it would make on-road easier when the time has been crunched by 1-2+ hours.

 

[Purplepackage]

I'm not sure I understand the travel time getting paid. Can you explain?



Why would you not be allowed to leave? You are on break. Why would you keep working on break? The belt can be stopped and started easily. Whether or not full hour is waived can be quickly communicated.



Management can set the break. It actually seems odd to me to think that those tasked with running the business could NOT make those business decisions.

I'm not sure where else people have worked, but managers usually schedule breaks for non-exempt employees. They tell you when and how long to go on break.

Some of this on the Senior too. Some are fine with staying in a 43 others want the break if there will be a delay over 30 minutes. If there was a known delay greater than 30 minutes, then why not take a break if you have a full load of deliveries and pups? To me it would make on-road easier when the time has been crunched by 1-2+ hours.

If we lose 2 hours of on road I guess that’s just 2 hours worth of work I’m bringing back.

Recently they like to start us an hour late and then said an hour early pull message out, that’s fine but I’m rolling as much frieght as I feel is right

 

[Maui]

If we lose 2 hours of on road I guess that’s just 2 hours worth of work I’m bringing back.

Recently they like to start us an hour late and then said an hour early pull message out, that’s fine but I’m rolling as much frieght as I feel is right

That's kind of ridiculous. An hour early is crazy. Unless there are tons of extra people to take all that work, then there is no way to finish.

 

[Purplepackage]

That's kind of ridiculous. An hour early is crazy. Unless there are tons of extra people to take all that work, then there is no way to finish.

Not sure what area of the country you’re in but I’ve seen as early as a 2 hour early pull back at my old station.

1 reason for that is that there’s a blizzard coming in and they want people off the road and the other is that Memphis is just ed.

We have also come in after a blizzard and started at 12 to just do a few delivers and pick ups

 

[dezguy]

That's kind of ridiculous. An hour early is crazy. Unless there are tons of extra people to take all that work, then there is no way to finish.

They do it all the time to us here. They send us out with a regular work load and then, 20 minutes after dispatch, they send out a message saying early pull, be back at sta for xxxx.

Most people haul ass in bad conditions instead of bringing stuff back with them. Pull me an hour early, you can be sure I'm bringing back an hour's worth of work, more if the conditions are bad.

 

[Purplepackage]

They do it all the time to us here. They send us out with a regular work load and then, 20 minutes after dispatch, they send out a message saying early pull, be back at sta for xxxx.

Most people haul ass in bad conditions instead of bringing stuff back with them. Pull me an hour early, you can be sure I'm bringing back an hour's worth of work, more if the conditions are bad.

I was on an extended route once where I left the building got halfway to the route, roads were so bad I pulled over waited 30 minutes and just brought everything back.

My manager actually thought he could give me a letter for that, go yourself lol

 

[Maui]

Not sure what area of the country you’re in but I’ve seen as early as a 2 hour early pull back at my old station.

1 reason for that is that there’s a blizzard coming in and they want people off the road and the other is that Memphis is just ed.

We have also come in after a blizzard and started at 12 to just do a few delivers and pick ups

I've only been out West. 2 hour early pull would virtually eliminate most of the pickups. The pickup routes are usually only 2-3 hours total.

 

[dezguy]

I was on an extended route once where I left the building got halfway to the route, roads were so bad I pulled over waited 30 minutes and just brought everything back.

My manager actually thought he could give me a letter for that, go yourself lol

I had a rural route, years ago. Got on road and got a message to return to sta 2 1/2 hours early, after 40 min of being on road. Roads were fine till I got past the second town I was assigned. Roads were so bad I didn't even know if I was actually on the road, shoulder or running on grass. No where to turn around without getting stuck, so I drove to my next stop which I knew would be plowed because it was a truck company.


Took me 45 minutes in what would usually be a 10 min drive. Missed RTB by nearly 2 hours. My manager, at the time was piiiiiiisssssed and tried to write me up. Yeah, no happening.

We had it out pretty good in his office for about 20 minutes but he gave up when I told him to get hr on the horn and tell us who was right.

 

[floridays]

I've only been out West. 2 hour early pull would virtually eliminate most of the pickups. The pickup routes are usually only 2-3 hours total.

Where in the west, Rocky Mountains? What time was a normal pull?

 

[vantexan]

It's funny how I used to fight getting out of bed for work. Now I'm up at three, down to McDonald's for a couple of hours at 5 a.m.. Surrounded by other old guys doing the same.

 

[MAKAVELI]

I'm not sure I understand the travel time getting paid. Can you explain?

The time it takes to get somewhere to eat is paid and not part of your break.

 

[Star B]

hoooray 3 hour late start.

 

[McFeely]

Where in the west, Rocky Mountains? What time was a normal pull?

I'm out west and our truck has to leave a bit before 19:00. Typically they want all outbound back at my station by 18:00.

Early pulls make for an interesting day for sure.

 

[Star B]

If there was a known delay greater than 30 minutes, then why not take a break if you have a full load of deliveries and pups?

because I'm human? The purpose of a break is to have a break when you are in the middle of work, not when you are still mostly-rested.

 

[Operational needs]

because I'm human? The purpose of a break is to have a break when you are in the middle of work, not when you are still mostly-rested.

That’s just crazy talk. You mean taking a break mid day so you can relax and fuel up for the rest of the day?? Lol.