Trump Tariffs has Countries ready to retaliate?

[newfie]

Will Trump also be letting in black and brown asylum seekers who live in countries with extreme turmoil?

Fair question

there is a process for legitimate asylum seekers that goes through the judiciary not the president.

what trump has done is to deny those who have to travel through other countries to get here to request asylum since true asylum seekers just need a country to escape to and should not be able to pick and choose the country they find most desirable.

the president can however add to the process. for instance if a war torn country is overwhelming those countries around it then the president can choose to accept some of those asylum seekers to aid the relief effort.

this case is interesting because dems have been able to define those in need of asylum as being people of color where in this case the legitimate seekers are white.

 

[Over70irregs]

there is a process for legitimate asylum seekers that goes through the judiciary not the president.

what trump has done is to deny those who have to travel through other countries to get here to request asylum since true asylum seekers just need a country to escape to and should not be able to pick and choose the country they find most desirable.

the president can however add to the process. for instance if a war torn country is overwhelming those countries around it then the president can choose to accept some of those asylum seekers to aid the relief effort.

this case is interesting because dems have been able to define those in need of asylum as being people of color where in this case the legitimate seekers are white.

White seekers who put themselves in this position due to imperialistic imbalance?

 

[Thebrownblob]

White seekers who put themselves in this position due to imperialistic imbalance?

My goodness why would anyone want to come here? it’s racist. They should just stay the countries where they are the majority. and are treated great!

Imperialist imbalance, right?

 

[newfie]

White seekers who put themselves in this position due to imperialistic imbalance?

can the leadership of this country have you executed for the same reason. we've certainly shown our imperialism.

To be eligible for asylum in the U.S., you must demonstrate a well-founded fear of persecution in your home country due to your race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, and be physically present in the U.S.

in this definition a white persecuted for his color in south africa is a candidate.

 

[Thebrownblob]

can the leadership of this country have you executed for the same reason. we've certainly shown our imperialism.

To be eligible for asylum in the U.S., you must demonstrate a well-founded fear of persecution in your home country due to your race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, and be physically present in the U.S.

in this definition a white persecuted for his color in south africa is a candidate.

I think he feels like he’s being intelligent, saying unintelligent things.

 

[vantexan]

White seekers who put themselves in this position due to imperialistic imbalance?

White seekers whose families have been in that country for hundreds of years. Who met blacks advancing south from further north as they advanced north from the coast and ultimately won some battles. Whose farms are an integral part of the country's economy and where confiscated and redistributed have been run into the literal ground. As they were in Zimbabwe which resulted in that country suffering hyperinflation. South Africa is literally falling apart. You can point to apartheid in the past but that was done away with over 30 years ago. How long will the sins of the past be held over the heads of new generations? As we know in this country it will never stop.

 

[Doublestandards]

Under international law asylum seekers are supposed to go to the next closest stable country to seek refuge. They aren't supposed to bypass all those countries to get to the richest nations with the best safety nets. The Biden administration made a farce out of our system by enticing masses to come here using our asylum laws as cover. Apparently the world has become a lot safer now that Trump is president since very few are coming here now. @Doublestandards @Over70irregs

There’s no other countries between South Africa and the United States?

 

[Over70irregs]

can the leadership of this country have you executed for the same reason. we've certainly shown our imperialism.

To be eligible for asylum in the U.S., you must demonstrate a well-founded fear of persecution in your home country due to your race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, and be physically present in the U.S.

in this definition a white persecuted for his color in south africa is a candidate.

I remember when Mandela was released. I didn’t know who he was. Then they showed the shanty towns. Just saw a quote “Roughly 16% of the world’s population is considered white.” Not sure if true.

 

[Doublestandards]

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Sure looks like a whole lot of countries before America, thanks for pointing it out

 

[vantexan]

There’s no other countries between South Africa and the United States?

Look on the map. The countries around South Africa couldn't possibly be able to sustain hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of refugees.

 

[Box Ox]

Under international law asylum seekers are supposed to go to the next closest stable country to seek refuge. They aren't supposed to bypass all those countries to get to the richest nations with the best safety nets. The Biden administration made a farce out of our system by enticing masses to come here using our asylum laws as cover. Apparently the world has become a lot safer now that Trump is president since very few are coming here now. @Doublestandards @Over70irregs

There’s no other countries between South Africa and the United States?

Sure looks like a whole lot of countries before America, thanks for pointing it out

Look on the map.

Here's a re-upload of the map. Are you saying they should try to make it out and head north, avoiding the people who want to kill them in South Africa?

 

[vantexan]

Here's a re-upload of the map. Are you saying they should try to make it out and head north, avoiding the people who want to kill them in South Africa?

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Oh no, he's fine with black and brown people from all over the world coming in from perfectly peaceful countries but whites coming in, well now, that's not acceptable.

 

[Doublestandards]

Oh no, he's fine with black and brown people from all over the world coming in from perfectly peaceful countries but whites coming in, well now, that's not acceptable.

so why can’t the South Africans go to those perfectly peaceful countries your talking about? Those same countries you’re saying the black and brown people shouldn’t be able to bypass to seek asylum in America, the white South Africans can’t also seek asylum there?

 

[Over70irregs]

Oh no, he's fine with black and brown people from all over the world coming in from perfectly peaceful countries but whites coming in, well now, that's not acceptable.

US is selling 5 M resident gold cards. We will be ok

 

[vantexan]

so why can’t the South Africans go to those perfectly peaceful countries your talking about? Those same countries you’re saying the black and brown people shouldn’t be able to bypass to seek asylum in America, the white South Africans can’t also seek asylum there?

I never said anything about black and brown people. You made it about race. For example Ukrainians should seek asylum in next door Poland, or Slovakia. They shouldn't bypass them for Germany or Sweden.

But my earlier point was that we had people from 180 nations showing up here seeking asylum when the vast majority of those countries are peaceful and stable. Liberals in this country were enabling them to come. But those same liberals will get, as demonstrated by you, upset that the U.S. is taking in whites from a country with a racist past. Never mind that it's just as racist today but those in power now are the formerly oppressed. And as I pointed out there are no countries next to South Africa capable of sustaining a large amount of refugees. So it's either to the U.S., Canada, the E.U., or Australia. Prosperous Asian nations are unlikely to take them in. Prosperous Muslim nations certainly won't.

 

[vantexan]

US is selling 5 M resident gold cards. We will be ok

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Doublestandards]

I never said anything about black and brown people. You made it about race. For example Ukrainians should seek asylum in next door Poland, or Slovakia. They shouldn't bypass them for Germany or Sweden.

But my earlier point was that we had people from 180 nations showing up here seeking asylum when the vast majority of those countries are peaceful and stable. Liberals in this country were enabling them to come. But those same liberals will get, as demonstrated by you, upset that the U.S. is taking in whites from a country with a racist past. Never mind that it's just as racist today but those in power now are the formerly oppressed. And as I pointed out there are no countries next to South Africa capable of sustaining a large amount of refugees. So it's either to the U.S., Canada, the E.U., or Australia. Prosperous Asian nations are unlikely to take them in. Prosperous Muslim nations certainly won't.

Why can’t South Africans go to any of those 180 peaceful and stable nations that you think the other asylum seekers should go to?

 

[vantexan]

Why can’t South Africans go to any of those 180 peaceful and stable nations that you think the other asylum seekers should go to?

And I never said that. By international law asylum seekers are supposed to go the next country over if it's stable. They aren't supposed to bypass surrounding countries in favor of prosperous ones. But in South Africa's case the surrounding countries participated in bringing an end to white rule in South Africa and are sympathetic to current government policies oppressing whites. They are also poor and can't support a large refugee population. So I'd say it was magnanimous on Trump's part to offer asylum. Or do you think they should remain in South Africa and learn to live with being murdered?

 

[Doublestandards]

And I never said that. By international law asylum seekers are supposed to go the next country over if it's stable. They aren't supposed to bypass surrounding countries in favor of prosperous ones. But in South Africa's case the surrounding countries participated in bringing an end to white rule in South Africa and are sympathetic to current government policies oppressing whites. They are also poor and can't support a large refugee population. So I'd say it was magnanimous on Trump's part to offer asylum. Or do you think they should remain in South Africa and learn to live with being murdered?

So you’re saying that the United States is the closest country that is stable and safe to South Africa?

 

[vantexan]

So you’re saying that the United States is the closest country that is stable and safe to South Africa?

Are you under the impression that millions of people should wander from country to country until they finally get to the U.S.? Or Europe? Australia?