Trump Tariffs has Countries ready to retaliate?

[Sportello]

Much much more than you deserve

Another personal attack that will go unpunished. Tell me again what’s the Legion motto that you use means? Do you place the Legion above the United States of America?

 

[vantexan]

And now all of a sudden all the magas who have been voting Republican the past 30 years are quoting democrats from the past 30 years saying we should be doing this

Yeah, we should have been planning this 30 years ago, building the infrastructure, giving incentives, working towards it. Not switching everything on a dime with no infrastructure and wiping out the economy with no real goal or leadership

Yeah, someone finally shows some leadership and y'all have a meltdown. In the last 32 years Democrats were in the White House 20 of those years. Exactly what did they do that improved conditions for the middle and working classes? Put in a healthcare system that gave healthcare to the very poor for free and jacked up insurance for everyone else. Imported a bunch of criminals along with millions of others unvetted.

 

[Over70irregs]

You have more stops coming guys. Amazon?

 

[Doublestandards]

Put in a healthcare system that gave healthcare to the very poor for free and jacked up insurance for everyone else.

Trump is president now with a Republican Congress. Why isn’t he changing it? They’ve had plenty of time to come up with something better

 

[Over70irregs]

Trump is president now with a Republican Congress. Why isn’t he changing it? They’ve had plenty of time to come up with something better

I believe they are desperate. But everyone worships a dollar somewhere. They will get it going

 

[vantexan]

Trump is president now with a Republican Congress. Why isn’t he changing it? They’ve had plenty of time to come up with something better

Because a return to what we had beforehand that gave working people affordable healthcare but left out the poor would never fly politically today. You need to realize the voting public is relatively equal with the two main parties and elections hinge on the independents anymore. Trump is taking a huge political risk for Republicans so expect some serious unease within the ranks. Same thing happened with many Democrats up for reelection who tried to distance themselves from Biden. Whether the Republicans get slammed in the midterms hinges on whether what Trump is trying succeeds. The Dems of course will be screaming it isn't working all the way to the midterms so we'll have to see what the official numbers are and whether people start sensing a real improvement in their bottom line.

 

[Doublestandards]

Because a return to what we had beforehand that gave working people affordable healthcare but left out the poor would never fly politically today. You need to realize the voting public is relatively equal with the two main parties and elections hinge on the independents anymore. Trump is taking a huge political risk for Republicans so expect some serious unease within the ranks. Same thing happened with many Democrats up for reelection who tried to distance themselves from Biden. Whether the Republicans get slammed in the midterms hinges on whether what Trump is trying succeeds. The Dems of course will be screaming it isn't working all the way to the midterms so we'll have to see what the official numbers are and whether people start sensing a real improvement in their bottom line.

Then it sounds like you just like to complain. Sounds like the ACA is better than any other alternative republicans can or will come up with

 

[vantexan]

Then it sounds like you just like to complain. Sounds like the ACA is better than any other alternative republicans can or will come up with

When I just had my pension of $22k a year I qualified for free healthcare. Except not so free. Had an emergency room visit and was on the hook for 10% of the cost. Took 10 months to pay it off.

Once I got Social Security my income was too high to qualify for the free stuff. $42k a year. If I got coverage through the state my monthly premium would be over $900. So I've been a self pay and have racked up about $5000 in medical bills in the last year.

It's not a matter of complaining. It's a matter of the ACA not really working for everyone but the alternative, better insurance for most at the expense of the poor, is politically untenable. Luckily for me I'm about 20 months until I qualify for Medicare.

 

[Doublestandards]

When I just had my pension of $22k a year I qualified for free healthcare. Except not so free. Had an emergency room visit and was on the hook for 10% of the cost. Took 10 months to pay it off.

Once I got Social Security my income was too high to qualify for the free stuff. $42k a year. If I got coverage through the state my monthly premium would be over $900. So I've been a self pay and have racked up about $5000 in medical bills in the last year.

It's not a matter of complaining. It's a matter of the ACA not really working for everyone but the alternative, better insurance for most at the expense of the poor, is politically untenable. Luckily for me I'm about 20 months until I qualify for Medicare.

Why didn’t you just pull yourself up by the bootstraps and buy a quality healthcare plan?

 

[Doublestandards]

When I just had my pension of $22k a year I qualified for free healthcare. Except not so free. Had an emergency room visit and was on the hook for 10% of the cost. Took 10 months to pay it off.

Once I got Social Security my income was too high to qualify for the free stuff. $42k a year. If I got coverage through the state my monthly premium would be over $900. So I've been a self pay and have racked up about $5000 in medical bills in the last year.

It's not a matter of complaining. It's a matter of the ACA not really working for everyone but the alternative, better insurance for most at the expense of the poor, is politically untenable. Luckily for me I'm about 20 months until I qualify for Medicare.

In all seriousness though. You're complaining that the ACA gives free insurance to the poor in the expense of the non poor, while also complaining that the free insurance isn’t actually free and even the 10% you had to pay was too much

You’re saying two contradicting statements and complaining in both of them

What do you think the best solution for health care is?

 

[vantexan]

Why didn’t you just pull yourself up by the bootstraps and buy a quality healthcare plan?

Because I have preexisting conditions.

 

[vantexan]

In all seriousness though. You're complaining that the ACA gives free insurance to the poor in the expense of the non poor, while also complaining that the free insurance isn’t actually free and even the 10% you had to pay was too much

You’re saying two contradicting statements and complaining in both of them

What do you think the best solution for health care is?

No, I'm not. I'm saying most were better off before the ACA. Good for the folks that have little money to get coverage but even they have a hard time paying if they have a health issue.

 

[Doublestandards]

Because I have preexisting conditions.

No, I'm not. I'm saying most were better off before the ACA. Good for the folks that have little money to get coverage but even they have a hard time paying if they have a health issue.

the ACA helps people like you specifically

Amazing, a program that helps you in a huge way and you complain about it

Almost makes me want to vote Republican to stop the handouts, ungrateful bums

 

[vantexan]

the ACA helps people like you specifically

Amazing, a program that helps you in a huge way and you complain about it

Almost makes me want to vote Republican to stop the handouts, ungrateful bums

Did you not read my posts? My income is too high to qualify for the nearly free insurance. It's over $900 a month to get insurance through the ACA.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Did you not read my posts? My income is too high to qualify for the nearly free insurance. It's over $900 a month to get insurance through the ACA.

He doesn’t understand that you’re saying the affordable care act is not that affordable to the working poor. In his defense as I’ve never paid for insurance because I’ve worked at UPS most of my adult life. I didn’t understand that either. Until I talk to some other people was surprised that it was unaffordable.

 

[vantexan]

He doesn’t understand that you’re saying the affordable care act is not that affordable to the working poor. In his defense as I’ve never paid for insurance because I’ve worked at UPS most of my adult life. I didn’t understand that either. Until I talk to some other people was surprised that it was unaffordable.

He's looking for an angle to get at me for pointing out some things on his posts. Nothing new there.

 

[Thebrownblob]

He's looking for an angle to get at me for pointing out some things on his posts. Nothing new there.

What was more shocking to me was that the unaffordable insurance card that the working poor gets to put in their pocket so they can pretend they’re covered with such crappy insurance that you might as well not have it. Ridiculously high co-pays and deductibles that they couldn’t afford anyway. For example, it’s great. I guess that hospital visit might not cost $70,000 but your deductible is $7000 and you don’t even have $1000 to your name because you’re working three jobs to make $40,000. It really isn’t all that helpful. So essentially, those people are still deciding between buying groceries and getting medical procedures. Thanks ACA…. I guess, I bet the insurance companies love it.

 

[Doublestandards]

What was more shocking to me was that the unaffordable insurance card that the working poor gets to put in their pocket so they can pretend they’re covered with such crappy insurance that you might as well not have it. Ridiculously high co-pays and deductibles that they couldn’t afford anyway. For example, it’s great. I guess that hospital visit might not cost $70,000 but your deductible is $7000 and you don’t even have $1000 to your name because you’re working three jobs to make $40,000. It really isn’t all that helpful. So essentially, those people are still deciding between buying groceries and getting medical procedures. Thanks ACA…. I guess, I bet the insurance companies love it.

Capitalism and health care don’t mix. The goal of capitalism is to maximize profits as much as possible, that goes against health care when you have a middleman trying to make profits while deciding what treatment you should get

 

[Doublestandards]

What was more shocking to me was that the unaffordable insurance card that the working poor gets to put in their pocket so they can pretend they’re covered with such crappy insurance that you might as well not have it. Ridiculously high co-pays and deductibles that they couldn’t afford anyway. For example, it’s great. I guess that hospital visit might not cost $70,000 but your deductible is $7000 and you don’t even have $1000 to your name because you’re working three jobs to make $40,000. It really isn’t all that helpful. So essentially, those people are still deciding between buying groceries and getting medical procedures. Thanks ACA…. I guess, I bet the insurance companies love it.

Also seems like health insurance sucks for everyone. My family all makes great money and their insurance sucks as well in terms of how much they have to pay per month and what it covers

Except for ours, but we have a great union job.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Capitalism and health care don’t mix. The goal of capitalism is to maximize profits as much as possible, that goes against health care when you have a middleman trying to make profits while deciding what treatment you should get

Very little about the healthcare system reflects capitalism. Especially after the government got more involved, forcing the ACA. I believe the only thing it did was provide the ability for people to put a insurance card in their wallet so they could say they’re covered when in reality the next medical Crisis they have would still create an extreme economic situation in their lives. Once again, the insurance companies must love that kind of mandate. Also interesting. The ACA took away choice and competition because now there really only a couple of insurances to choose from and sometimes even less, depending on the area you live.