Trump Tariffs has Countries ready to retaliate?

[newfie]

The majority of these imports from China consist of manufactured goods, with the following product categories being the most significant:

1. Electrical Machinery and Equipment: This includes items like smartphones, televisions, and other consumer electronics. In 2023, this category was valued at around $150 billion, making up a substantial portion of imports from China (approximately 35% of the total value of Chinese imports). This remains a dominant category in 2024.
2. Machinery, Including Computers: This encompasses computers, laptops, and other mechanical appliances, valued at about $130 billion in 2023 (roughly 30% of imports from China). This category continues to be a major contributor in 2024.
3. Toys, Games, and Furniture: Products like toys, video game consoles, bedding, and furniture accounted for around $40 billion in 2023 (about 9% of imports from China). These consumer goods remain significant due to their high demand in the U.S. market.

These three categories alone typically represent over 70% of the total value of goods imported from China, with electrical machinery and computers being the largest drivers. Other notable imports include apparel, plastics, and chemicals, but they constitute smaller shares compared to the top three.

So as you can see if you dont need an TV , computer phone or furniture you can ride this out

the Hysteria is oversold

 

[newfie]

Now that your apple iphone will cost twice as much what phones are made in the US? Not many

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[newfie]

refrigerators? i wont buy a foriegn made frig because they dont last. what good is a big fancy korean made frig if it only lasts at most 5 to 10 years. meanwhile i have a frigidare down in my basement that has lasted 30 years and is still running strong and never been repaired.

Several refrigerator brands manufacture or assemble at least some of their models in the United States. While many use a mix of domestic and globally sourced parts, the following brands are known for producing refrigerators in the U.S.:

• Whirlpool: A major American appliance manufacturer based in Michigan, Whirlpool assembles many of its refrigerators in the U.S., including at facilities in Ohio, Iowa, Tennessee, and Oklahoma. Models like the Whirlpool WRB322DMBM are made in Amana, Iowa.
• Maytag: Owned by Whirlpool, Maytag designs, engineers, and assembles some refrigerators in the U.S., primarily in Amana, Iowa. Examples include the MRFF4236RZ and MRT711SMFZ models.
• GE (General Electric): GE Appliances, now owned by Haier (a Chinese company), still produces many refrigerators in the U.S. Facilities in Louisville, Kentucky, Decatur, Alabama, and Selmer, Tennessee, make models like the GE Profile Series and top-freezer refrigerators, though some parts are globally sourced.
• Sub-Zero: Known for luxury refrigerators, Sub-Zero assembles most of its units in Wisconsin and Arizona, emphasizing high-quality, American-made craftsmanship with some imported components.
• Frigidaire: Owned by Sweden’s Electrolux, Frigidaire assembles some refrigerators and freezers in the U.S., notably in Anderson, South Carolina, and St. Cloud, Minnesota, though other models are made in Mexico or elsewhere.
• Amana: Another Whirlpool subsidiary, Amana assembles many of its refrigerators in Iowa and Texas, making it a reliable choice for U.S.-made options.
• Big Chill: This brand offers retro-style refrigerators assembled in the U.S., primarily in Colorado, Iowa, and Pennsylvania, using globally sourced parts.
• True Residential: A lesser-known but notable option, True manufactures both commercial and residential refrigerators in St. Louis, Missouri, with a focus on American production.

Keep in mind that "Made in the USA" can vary in meaning—some brands assemble here but use international components, while others are more fully domestic. For the most accurate information, check the specific model’s label or contact the manufacturer, as production locations can shift over time.

 

[newfie]

so the short answer today is we raised tariffs on 13.4 percent of our imports and china matched us on the 6.5 percent we send them that they actually allow in.

looking at it from a trade war perspective by population assuming no one buys chinese products that have doubled in price that means 13.5 percent of 1.4 billion people no longer have a job in china. thats about 189 million people in china without a job.
china's business model is heavily invested in the export of product to us and other countries.

at the same time you could argue that 6.5 percent of our population is at risk. So if the US can effectively open markets which it appears is happening then we can much more easily sell our 6.5 percent somewhere else while we fight it out with china.

 

[Over70irregs]

grok is your friend

As of 2024, approximately 13.4% of total U.S. goods imports come from China. This figure is based on data showing that U.S. goods imports from China totaled $438.9 billion out of an estimated $3,295.6 billion in total goods imports for that year.

The majority of these imports from China consist of manufactured goods, with the following product categories being the most significant:

1. Electrical Machinery and Equipment: This includes items like smartphones, televisions, and other consumer electronics. In 2023, this category was valued at around $150 billion, making up a substantial portion of imports from China (approximately 35% of the total value of Chinese imports). This remains a dominant category in 2024.
2. Machinery, Including Computers: This encompasses computers, laptops, and other mechanical appliances, valued at about $130 billion in 2023 (roughly 30% of imports from China). This category continues to be a major contributor in 2024.
3. Toys, Games, and Furniture: Products like toys, video game consoles, bedding, and furniture accounted for around $40 billion in 2023 (about 9% of imports from China). These consumer goods remain significant due to their high demand in the U.S. market.

These three categories alone typically represent over 70% of the total value of goods imported from China, with electrical machinery and computers being the largest drivers. Other notable imports include apparel, plastics, and chemicals, but they constitute smaller shares compared to the top three.

As of 2023, the most recent year with comprehensive data, approximately 6.7% of China's total goods imports came from the United States.

China imports a variety of goods from the United States, with the most significant categories based on recent trade data including:

• Oilseeds and Grains: Soybeans are the top U.S. export to China, valued at around $13.4 billion in 2024. Other grains like corn and wheat also contribute significantly, supporting China's agricultural needs.
• Fuels: This includes crude oil and petroleum gas, totaling about $14.7 billion in 2024, reflecting China's demand for energy resources.
• Electrical Machinery: Valued at approximately $15.3 billion in 2024, this category includes semiconductors and components, crucial for China's tech industries, despite U.S. export restrictions on advanced chips.
• Aerospace Products: Aircraft parts and industrial machinery, particularly for civil aviation, are major imports, though exact figures vary year-to-year.
• Meat Products: Poultry, pork, and beef are imported to meet China's protein demand, with notable volumes in recent years.

In 2024, total U.S. goods exports to China were approximately $143.5 billion, down slightly from $147.7 billion in 2023.

TLDR good facts though

 

[Nolimitz]

Trump pivots again on tariffs

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/markets-soar-as-trump-pauses-reciprocal-tariffs-for-90-days-while-applying-more-pressure-on-china-181126254.html

 

[bottomups]

Trump pivots again on tariffs

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/markets-soar-as-trump-pauses-reciprocal-tariffs-for-90-days-while-applying-more-pressure-on-china-181126254.html

Bet the penguins living on McDonald island are happy.

 

[Doublestandards]

you didnt answer the question because you never tried to add it up. you just made an argument simply to make an argument.

Huh? I literally answered the question and added it up. It’s barely $2 trillion dollars. And that was with me being extremely generous and ignoring the misinformation on it, so in reality it’s even much much less

The list is there for everyone to see, I encourage everyone to add it up themselves so they can see that @newfie is wrong

 

[Doublestandards]

7 trillion dollars in new investments and a bunch of jobs say thats not accurate. i noticed when trump was explaining this i channel surfed as i often do . fox and max and cspan covered his presser , CNN and MSNBC did not. If you can break away from those channels and go to the others at the scheduled time for him to speak you can get the answer to all your questions as he explains it.

Your 7 trillion in investments has already been debunked

You’d think you’d learn that you can’t trust what Trump says after he claimed these were “reciprocal tariffs”. Trump is a great salesman, but he is a liar

i gave you the whole list , your debunked has been debunked. i do find it interesting . you clearly don't educate yourself on anything but just sit here and make things up and argue your made up points.

1. The list you gave didn’t add up to $7 trillion. Not even close

2. Some on that list were chip companies, which you ignored Biden’s Chips and Science act which was the whole point to bring chip production to America through incentives

3. Multiple parts of that list were companies who flaked, or saying they “might” do it with nothing definitive

A.K.A: FAKE NEWS

what number did you come with? again if you actually educated yourself you wouldnt have to make up an argument here.

There’s the list you gave.

Now let’s ignore the fact of the chips companies in there and ignore Biden’s chips and science act, and we’ll just pretend it’s from Trump and give him the credit for your sake

Now let’s ignore the companies that flaked, we’ll still add them in for your sake

Let’s be EXTREMELY generous and when you list companies that say “might invest hundreds of billions” we’ll put it at 500 billion

We’re not even getting past $2 trillion. And that’s being VERY generous and ignoring all of the above

So what’s the response now? And where did this $7 trillion come from?

you didnt answer the question because you never tried to add it up. you just made an argument simply to make an argument.

grok is your friend

As of 2024, approximately 13.4% of total U.S. goods imports come from China. This figure is based on data showing that U.S. goods imports from China totaled $438.9 billion out of an estimated $3,295.6 billion in total goods imports for that year.

The majority of these imports from China consist of manufactured goods, with the following product categories being the most significant:

1. Electrical Machinery and Equipment: This includes items like smartphones, televisions, and other consumer electronics. In 2023, this category was valued at around $150 billion, making up a substantial portion of imports from China (approximately 35% of the total value of Chinese imports). This remains a dominant category in 2024.
2. Machinery, Including Computers: This encompasses computers, laptops, and other mechanical appliances, valued at about $130 billion in 2023 (roughly 30% of imports from China). This category continues to be a major contributor in 2024.
3. Toys, Games, and Furniture: Products like toys, video game consoles, bedding, and furniture accounted for around $40 billion in 2023 (about 9% of imports from China). These consumer goods remain significant due to their high demand in the U.S. market.

These three categories alone typically represent over 70% of the total value of goods imported from China, with electrical machinery and computers being the largest drivers. Other notable imports include apparel, plastics, and chemicals, but they constitute smaller shares compared to the top three.

As of 2023, the most recent year with comprehensive data, approximately 6.7% of China's total goods imports came from the United States.

China imports a variety of goods from the United States, with the most significant categories based on recent trade data including:

• Oilseeds and Grains: Soybeans are the top U.S. export to China, valued at around $13.4 billion in 2024. Other grains like corn and wheat also contribute significantly, supporting China's agricultural needs.
• Fuels: This includes crude oil and petroleum gas, totaling about $14.7 billion in 2024, reflecting China's demand for energy resources.
• Electrical Machinery: Valued at approximately $15.3 billion in 2024, this category includes semiconductors and components, crucial for China's tech industries, despite U.S. export restrictions on advanced chips.
• Aerospace Products: Aircraft parts and industrial machinery, particularly for civil aviation, are major imports, though exact figures vary year-to-year.
• Meat Products: Poultry, pork, and beef are imported to meet China's protein demand, with notable volumes in recent years.

In 2024, total U.S. goods exports to China were approximately $143.5 billion, down slightly from $147.7 billion in 2023.

Hey @newfie you said I was wrong and uneducated when I said your list didn’t add up to $7 trillion and was barely $2 trillion

You also said that grok is our friend, so I typed in the exact list you gave to Grok and asked it to give me the numbers

You man enough to admit you were wrong now?

Grok let me know that nvida investment was estimated at $200 billion, I gave you the benefit of the doubt and put it at $500 billion, so it’s even lower than I had

 

[newfie]

Hey @newfie you said I was wrong and uneducated

and i stand by that, and unlike others here i wont chase your trollery. thanks

 

[Doublestandards]

and i stand by that, and unlike others here i wont chase your trollery. thanks

So you’re not man enough to admit you were wrong. Got it

Numbers are all there with Grok verification for everyone to see you were wrong. Really not a big deal, but now it’s just embarrassing you’re doubling down

 

[newfie]

So you’re not man enough to admit you were wrong. Got it

Numbers are all there with Grok verification for everyone to see you were wrong. Really not a big deal, but now it’s just embarrassing you’re doubling down

I'm eager to respond to a well researched well though out informed argument from you. Instead I've wasted too much of my time already educating you.

 

[Doublestandards]

I'm eager to respond to a well researched well though out informed argument from you. Instead I've wasted too much of my time already educating you.

what more of an argument do you want? It’s simple math. You gave me the numbers and I added them up. I then entered the numbers into GROK, which you used yourself, and GROK also added them up and said you were wrong

You were wrong. Get over it. No that big of a deal, happens to everyone

 

[newfie]

what more of an argument do you want? It’s simple math. You gave me the numbers and I added them up. I then entered the numbers into GROK, which you used yourself, and GROK also added them up and said you were wrong

You were wrong. Get over it. No that big of a deal, happens to everyone

so you're admitting you dont know how to add? ok i guess

 

[Doublestandards]

so you're admitting you dont know how to add? ok i guess

Dude, the numbers are there for everyone to add. Grok added it up too. You’re really going to die on this hill?

 

[newfie]

Dude, the numbers are there for everyone to add. Grok added it up too. You’re really going to die on this hill?

its ok. you don't have to be good with math. the world needs ditch diggers too. oh wait you do have to know how deep to dig your hole. hmm there has to be something you're qualified for.

 

[Doublestandards]

its ok. you don't have to be good with math. the world needs ditch diggers too. oh wait you do have to know how deep to dig your hole. hmm there has to be something you're qualified for.

lol keep it coming pal, you’re just making yourself look dumber and more stubborn

Just learned that you also got duped into being a supervisor At ups. Makes so much sense

 

[Doublestandards]

Project Stargate, led by Japan-based Softbank and U.S.-based OpenAI and Oracle, announced a $500 billion private investment in U.S.-based artificial intelligence infrastructure.

— Apple announced a $500 billion investment in U.S. manufacturing and training.

— Nvidia announced it will invest hundreds of billions of dollars over the next four years in U.S.-based manufacturing.

— Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) announced a $100 billion investment in U.S.-based chips manufacturing.

— Eli Lilly and Company announced a $27 billion investment in domestic manufacturing.

— United Arab Emirates-based DAMAC Properties announced a $20 billion investment in new U.S.-based data centers.

— France-based CMA CGM, a global shipping giant, announced a $20 billion investment in U.S. shipping and logistics, creating 10,000 new jobs.

— United Arab Emirates-based ADQ and U.S.-based Energy Capital Partners announced a $25 billion investment in U.S. data centers and energy infrastructure.

— South Korean automaker Hyundai announced a $20 billion investment — including $5.8 billion for a new steel plant in Louisiana, which will create nearly 1,500 jobs, amid their pledge to “further localize production in the U.S.”

— Merck announced it will invest $8 billion in the U.S. over the next several years after opening a new $1 billion North Carolina manufacturing facility.

— Clarios announced a $6 billion plan to expand its domestic manufacturing operations.

— GE Aerospace announced a $1 billion investment in manufacturing across 16 states — creating 5,000 new jobs.

— Stellantis announced a $5 billion investment in its U.S. manufacturing network — including re-opening an Illinois manufacturing plant — as it pledges to increase domestic vehicle production.

— Schneider Electric announced it will invest $700 million over the next four years in U.S. energy infrastructure.

— GE Vernova announced it will invest nearly $600 million in U.S. manufacturing over the next two years, which will create more than 1,500 new jobs.

— London-based Diageo announced a $415 million investment in a new Alabama manufacturing facility.

— Dublin-based Eaton Corporation announced a $340 million investment in a new South Carolina-based manufacturing facility for its three-phase transformers.

— Germany-based Siemens announced a $285 million investment in U.S. manufacturing and AI data centers, which will create more than 900 new skilled manufacturing jobs.

— Paris Baguette announced a $160 million investment to construct a manufacturing plant in Texas.

— Switzerland-based ABB announced a $120 million investment to expand production of its low-voltage electrification products in Tennessee and Mississippi.

— Saica Group, a Spain-based corrugated packaging maker, announced plans to build a $110 million new manufacturing facility in Anderson, Indiana.

— Paris-based Saint-Gobain announced a new $40 million NorPro manufacturing facility in Wheatfield, New York.

— India-based Sygene International announced a $36.5 million acquisition of a Baltimore biologics manufacturing facility.

— Asahi Group Holdings, one of the largest Japanese beverage makers, announced a $35 million investment to boost production at its Wisconsin plant.

 

[newfie]

lol keep it coming pal, you’re just making yourself look dumber and more stubborn

Projection

 

[Doublestandards]

Project Stargate, led by Japan-based Softbank and U.S.-based OpenAI and Oracle, announced a $500 billion private investment in U.S.-based artificial intelligence infrastructure.

— Apple announced a $500 billion investment in U.S. manufacturing and training.

— Nvidia announced it will invest hundreds of billions of dollars over the next four years in U.S.-based manufacturing.

— Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) announced a $100 billion investment in U.S.-based chips manufacturing.

— Eli Lilly and Company announced a $27 billion investment in domestic manufacturing.

— United Arab Emirates-based DAMAC Properties announced a $20 billion investment in new U.S.-based data centers.

— France-based CMA CGM, a global shipping giant, announced a $20 billion investment in U.S. shipping and logistics, creating 10,000 new jobs.

— United Arab Emirates-based ADQ and U.S.-based Energy Capital Partners announced a $25 billion investment in U.S. data centers and energy infrastructure.

— South Korean automaker Hyundai announced a $20 billion investment — including $5.8 billion for a new steel plant in Louisiana, which will create nearly 1,500 jobs, amid their pledge to “further localize production in the U.S.”

— Merck announced it will invest $8 billion in the U.S. over the next several years after opening a new $1 billion North Carolina manufacturing facility.

— Clarios announced a $6 billion plan to expand its domestic manufacturing operations.

— GE Aerospace announced a $1 billion investment in manufacturing across 16 states — creating 5,000 new jobs.

— Stellantis announced a $5 billion investment in its U.S. manufacturing network — including re-opening an Illinois manufacturing plant — as it pledges to increase domestic vehicle production.

— Schneider Electric announced it will invest $700 million over the next four years in U.S. energy infrastructure.

— GE Vernova announced it will invest nearly $600 million in U.S. manufacturing over the next two years, which will create more than 1,500 new jobs.

— London-based Diageo announced a $415 million investment in a new Alabama manufacturing facility.

— Dublin-based Eaton Corporation announced a $340 million investment in a new South Carolina-based manufacturing facility for its three-phase transformers.

— Germany-based Siemens announced a $285 million investment in U.S. manufacturing and AI data centers, which will create more than 900 new skilled manufacturing jobs.

— Paris Baguette announced a $160 million investment to construct a manufacturing plant in Texas.

— Switzerland-based ABB announced a $120 million investment to expand production of its low-voltage electrification products in Tennessee and Mississippi.

— Saica Group, a Spain-based corrugated packaging maker, announced plans to build a $110 million new manufacturing facility in Anderson, Indiana.

— Paris-based Saint-Gobain announced a new $40 million NorPro manufacturing facility in Wheatfield, New York.

— India-based Sygene International announced a $36.5 million acquisition of a Baltimore biologics manufacturing facility.

— Asahi Group Holdings, one of the largest Japanese beverage makers, announced a $35 million investment to boost production at its Wisconsin plant.

There’s the list @newfie provided

Add it up yourself or punch it in to GROK and see for yourself

He claims it adds up to $7 trillion lmao