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Thebrownblob

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John Kerry Gets Hilariously Triggered When He's Reminded Who Was In Charge When Russia Annexed Crimea​

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newfie

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Hillary Clinton?
you might be right. brain fart.

kerry was grossly incompetent , hillary grossly corrupt . Hillary wins on effort.

thanks for making a rational response , one of the few I've seen today.
i just had a thought can you imagine having to choose between buying a hot dog from a nut job or skipping lunch. I think that guy would have been good for my eating plan. :)
 

Doublestandards

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First half is some typical whining projection, but the second is pretty cool for Trump. Seems like maybe he’s starting to understand the situation more clearly

Russia is the aggressor. Ukraine is trying to defend their country. Zelensky is not looking for the war to continue, Putin is. There is a difference between “wanting the war to continue” and not backing down

Would be one of Trumps greatest moments if he could :censored2: up putin in a major way, and he would deserve all the credit
 

vantexan

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First half is some typical whining projection, but the second is pretty cool for Trump. Seems like maybe he’s starting to understand the situation more clearly

Russia is the aggressor. Ukraine is trying to defend their country. Zelensky is not looking for the war to continue, Putin is. There is a difference between “wanting the war to continue” and not backing down

Would be one of Trumps greatest moments if he could :censored2: up putin in a major way, and he would deserve all the credit
It's fair to point out that Obama not only didn't stop the taking of Crimea, but that he was likely complicit in it. Obama was caught on a hot microphone telling the president of Russia, not Putin at the time, to tell Vladimir to be patient. Said it was his last election, let him get through it first. Obama already had an issue appearing weak. He scoffed at Mitt Romney saying Russia was our biggest geopolitical foe in their debate too. And in spite of Ukraine fighting a low level war with Russian separatists backed by Moscow, Obama wouldn't give them weapons. That's what Trump inherited.
 

oldngray

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It's fair to point out that Obama not only didn't stop the taking of Crimea, but that he was likely complicit in it. Obama was caught on a hot microphone telling the president of Russia, not Putin at the time, to tell Vladimir to be patient. Said it was his last election, let him get through it first. Obama already had an issue appearing weak. He scoffed at Mitt Romney saying Russia was our biggest geopolitical foe in their debate too. And in spite of Ukraine fighting a low level war with Russian separatists backed by Moscow, Obama wouldn't give them weapons. That's what Trump inherited.
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Doublestandards

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It's fair to point out that Obama not only didn't stop the taking of Crimea, but that he was likely complicit in it. Obama was caught on a hot microphone telling the president of Russia, not Putin at the time, to tell Vladimir to be patient. Said it was his last election, let him get through it first. Obama already had an issue appearing weak. He scoffed at Mitt Romney saying Russia was our biggest geopolitical foe in their debate too. And in spite of Ukraine fighting a low level war with Russian separatists backed by Moscow, Obama wouldn't give them weapons. That's what Trump inherited.
Definitely fair

I would like trump to be the most successful of modern presidents in dealing with Russia. That would be great, I hope it happens
 

newfie

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Zelenskyy will use any excuse to keep the fighting going. He doesn't want any kind of peace deal.
i think Trump tried to explain reality to him today. hopefully he listened.

I'm no Zelensky fan still believe he's stashing a lot of money somewhere, still believe the Ukraine is as corrupt as they come but
i understand the outrage they felt over the war and the carnage that came with it. its tough to get the two sides to cut bait when so many have lost their lives.
 

Box Ox

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I would like trump to be the most successful of modern presidents in dealing with Russia. That would be great, I hope it happens

Seems like a pretty low bar to clear. Bush talked about looking into Putin's eyes and Hillary had her reset button while working for Obama.

Also, remember this?

Election 2012 | Obama to Romney: Cold War Is Over - Third Presidential Debate | The New York Times

 

newfie

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Seems like a pretty low bar to clear. Bush talked about looking into Putin's eyes and Hillary had her reset button while working for Obama.

Also, remember this?

Election 2012 | Obama to Romney: Cold War Is Over - Third Presidential Debate | The New York Times

and this disturbing
 
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