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[DriveInDriѵeOut]

You cannot use this site to declare an entire people to be evil purely based on their geographic location, or government they are under. Or their religion.

If you want to believe that, that's fine. If you want to say that, fine. Just not here.
I will ban you.

You'll ban me for saying islamists are evil?

Do you seriously not know the difference between good and evil?

Sad.

 

[newfie]

You cannot use this site to declare an entire people to be evil purely based on their geographic location, or government they are under. Or their religion.

If you want to believe that, that's fine. If you want to say that, fine. Just not here.
I will ban you.

You'll ban me for saying islamists are evil?

Do you seriously not know the difference between good and evil?

Sad.

that got me curious i had to do a grok search on this one

Yes, there is a difference between "Islamist" and "Muslim."

• Muslim: A person who follows the religion of Islam, believing in one God (Allah) and the prophethood of Muhammad. Muslims practice the teachings of Islam, such as prayer, fasting, and charity, as outlined in the Quran and Hadith. Being a Muslim refers to religious identity and personal faith, with diverse interpretations and practices across cultures and sects.
• Islamist: A person who advocates for Islamism, a political ideology that seeks to implement Islamic principles (often a specific interpretation of Sharia) as the basis for governance and societal organization. Islamists aim to establish political systems rooted in their version of Islamic law, which can range from democratic participation to authoritarian theocracy. Not all Muslims are Islamists, as many Muslims do not support blending religion with political governance in this way.

Key Distinction: "Muslim" denotes religious identity; "Islamist" refers to a political ideology. The terms are not interchangeable, and conflating them can oversimplify or misrepresent individuals’ beliefs or intentions. Context matters, as "Islamist" can carry different connotations depending on the region, group, or intent (e.g., moderate political parties vs. extremist groups).

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

Mohammed was a pedo and these people worship him. This really isn't complicated.

 

[BadIdeaGuy]

that got me curious i had to do a grok search on this one

Yes, there is a difference between "Islamist" and "Muslim."

• Muslim: A person who follows the religion of Islam, believing in one God (Allah) and the prophethood of Muhammad. Muslims practice the teachings of Islam, such as prayer, fasting, and charity, as outlined in the Quran and Hadith. Being a Muslim refers to religious identity and personal faith, with diverse interpretations and practices across cultures and sects.
• Islamist: A person who advocates for Islamism, a political ideology that seeks to implement Islamic principles (often a specific interpretation of Sharia) as the basis for governance and societal organization. Islamists aim to establish political systems rooted in their version of Islamic law, which can range from democratic participation to authoritarian theocracy. Not all Muslims are Islamists, as many Muslims do not support blending religion with political governance in this way.

Key Distinction: "Muslim" denotes religious identity; "Islamist" refers to a political ideology. The terms are not interchangeable, and conflating them can oversimplify or misrepresent individuals’ beliefs or intentions. Context matters, as "Islamist" can carry different connotations depending on the region, group, or intent (e.g., moderate political parties vs. extremist groups).

He said they are all Islamists, and all evil.

I warned him, and he decided to double down.

 

[Box Ox]

You cannot use this site to declare an entire people to be evil purely based on their geographic location, or government they are under. Or their religion.

If you want to believe that, that's fine. If you want to say that, fine. Just not here.
I will ban you.

Maybe he'll cool down a little now that 4chan is coming back online.

 

[BadIdeaGuy]

Maybe he'll cool down a little now that 4chan is coming back online.

He's got a fortnight to figure out if that’s a hill he’s willing to die on.

I’m willing to make it happen for him.

 

[newfie]

He said they are all Islamists, and all evil.

I warned him, and he decided to double down.

he is fresh with some piss and vinegar since he's come back

 

[vantexan]

Mohammed was a pedo and these people worship him. This really isn't complicated.

What's complicated is almost 2 billion people in the world are Muslim to varying degrees. Much of the world's oil is controlled by them. And we do trade with them. A blanket one size fits all isn't possible when trying to understand all the cultures, political and religious divisions within the Muslim world. Much like the Christian world in that regard. It's in everyone's interest to learn how to get along.

 

[Doublestandards]

He's got a fortnight to figure out if that’s a hill he’s willing to die on.

I’m willing to make it happen for him.

 

[newfie]

What's complicated is almost 2 billion people in the world are Muslim to varying degrees. Much of the world's oil is controlled by them. And we do trade with them. A blanket one size fits all isn't possible when trying to understand all the cultures, political and religious divisions within the Muslim world. Much like the Christian world in that regard. It's in everyone's interest to learn how to get along.

it looks like you're in the same boat as me . he made the reference to Islamist and i immediately thought he was referring to muslims.

 

[vantexan]

it looks like you're in the same boat as me . he made the reference to Islamist and i immediately thought he was referring to muslims.

But he went on to expound that Islam and its followers are evil. If you're a Muslim you follow Islam. You may not be an Islamist, or an Islamic extremist, but you follow something evil thus you are evil. That's what I take from him.

 

[newfie]

But he went on to expound that Islam and its followers are evil. If you're a Muslim you follow Islam. You may not be an Islamist, or an Islamic extremist, but you follow something evil thus you are evil. That's what I take from him.

yea i guess thats the wording issue . After reading up on it some more I think i see what he's referring to .the islamist political concept appears to be pretty radical to include forming a theocratic state and either forcing us into converting to their religion or putting us to the sword.

 

[Lineandinitial]

yea i guess thats the wording issue . After reading up on it some more I think i see what he's referring to .the islamist political concept appears to be pretty radical to include forming a theocratic state and either forcing us into converting to their religion or putting us to the sword.

So, DIDO is more right than wrong.

The Quran dictates repeatedly that its followers must convert you to Islam or kill you if you refuse to convert.

 

[vantexan]

yea i guess thats the wording issue . After reading up on it some more I think i see what he's referring to .the islamist political concept appears to be pretty radical to include forming a theocratic state and either forcing us into converting to their religion or putting us to the sword.

Even that depends on who is doing the conquering. In the Balkans the Ottomans forced people to bend the knee and pay tribute(the money kind). They were allowed to keep their religion, but there were crazy things done like building a church into the ground because a church couldn't outshine the local mosque. The second sons of Christian families were forced to convert and serve in the Ottoman Army. To get better treatment a lot of Christian locals converted and when the Ottoman Empire collapsed those populations were left to fend for themselves. That was the source of the animosity that turned brutal when Yugoslavia fell apart. Much of the same occurred earlier in southern Italy and Spain.

I get the anger after 9/11. But raging towards people who were born into something and who have no desire to harm us, it's just the world they know, only fuels more anger and distrust.

 

[vantexan]

So, DIDO is more right than wrong.

The Quran dictates repeatedly that its followers must convert you to Islam or kill you if you refuse to convert.

More specifically it allows Muslims the right.to make war on infidels who refuse to either convert or submit to being dominated.

 

[oldngray]

So, DIDO is more right than wrong.

The Quran dictates repeatedly that its followers must convert you to Islam or kill you if you refuse to convert.

It changed from the earlier more peaceful verses to the later much more militant ones.

 

[newfie]

It changed from the earlier more peaceful verses to the later much more militant ones.

one of my operations was an airport operation that was half staffed by muslims and half hispanics from the central american countries. muslims from the middle east and africa. all were good people that came here and would work 4 different jobs to make the maximum money possible and proudly get their citizenship as soon as their five years were up. they always insisted that theirs was a peaceful religion and that the craziness we saw in the middle east was not what their religion was about.

 

[oldngray]

one of my operations was an airport operation that was half staffed by muslims and half hispanics from the central american countries. muslims from the middle east and africa. all were good people that came here and would work 4 different jobs to make the maximum money possible and proudly get their citizenship as soon as their five years were up. they always insisted that theirs was a peaceful religion and that the craziness we saw in the middle east was not what their religion was about.

No doubt some of them are very peaceful people but in my opinion the moderates don't do enough to stop the radicals.

 

[newfie]

It changed from the earlier more peaceful verses to the later much more militant ones.

or are the words being taken out of context to suit a political cause?

 

[Over70irregs]

@Next Day Err was my loyal thumbs down guy until he finally put me on ignore.

It’s an honor. Winning 364 to 17.