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Let it ride. This is the town square.
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Lineandinitial
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They all "follow" the same Quran though. They can act as peaceful as they want to portray themselves to be, but they still embrace Islam as their belief system. They just hide their true feelings until someone or some event stirs them up.
newfie
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yea but we also have our nut jobs that twist the bible for their extreme views. to your point though i think the peaceful ones would fall in line if the radical islamist took power.
Lineandinitial
Legio patria nostra
In my experience, most Islamics, world-wide, lack the overt free will to do what they think is "right". Even the educated professionals still have this deep fear of straying too far from the herd.
Doublestandards
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You’re being much more logical than he is, trust me. He’s advocated that every woman and child in those areas deserves to be murdered because they’re evil
I totally understand despising Hamas, or even the religion. But when you have no sympathy for children born and raised in a place where they have no choice and no rights and say they deserve to be killed is some literal Hitler stuff
It also gets us nowhere. You can kill people but that won’t kill an idea. It will only make it grow stronger.
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newfie
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While we're on the subject we actually came close to going to war with the Soviet Union during the Iran hostage crisis. I was at Bragg as part of the newly formed rapid deployment force and we were getting daily battle plan briefings on the below. the plan was that if the Soviets went into Iran we would drop the 82nd into a mountain range in Iran and fight a delaying action to slow them down until our Navy could neutralize the russian navy and start moving heavy armor into the southern parts of Iran. Funny how we're still talking about the same two countries 50 years later.
From Grok :
During the Iranian Hostage Crisis (1979–1981), U.S. concerns about Soviet intervention were rooted in the geopolitical context of the Cold War and the strategic importance of Iran. The U.S. feared that the instability caused by the Iranian Revolution and the hostage situation could provide the Soviet Union, Iran's northern neighbor, an opportunity to expand its influence in the region, particularly given Iran's oil resources and its position along the Persian Gulf.
Key details:
From Grok :
During the Iranian Hostage Crisis (1979–1981), U.S. concerns about Soviet intervention were rooted in the geopolitical context of the Cold War and the strategic importance of Iran. The U.S. feared that the instability caused by the Iranian Revolution and the hostage situation could provide the Soviet Union, Iran's northern neighbor, an opportunity to expand its influence in the region, particularly given Iran's oil resources and its position along the Persian Gulf.
Key details:
- Geopolitical Context: The Soviet Union had long sought to increase its influence in the Middle East, and Iran’s revolution created a power vacuum. The U.S. worried that the Soviets might exploit Iran’s weakened state, especially after the fall of the pro-Western Shah and the rise of a revolutionary government hostile to the U.S.
- Soviet Proximity and Interests: The Soviet Union shared a border with Iran, and its leadership had historical interests in controlling or influencing Iran to secure access to warm-water ports and oil fields. The 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan heightened U.S. fears, as it signaled Soviet willingness to intervene in the region.
- U.S. Intelligence Assessments: Declassified documents, such as CIA reports from the period, indicate that U.S. intelligence agencies considered the possibility of Soviet military or political moves into Iran. Analysts assessed that the Soviets might support leftist groups like the Tudeh Party (Iran’s communist party) or exploit ethnic unrest in northern Iran to destabilize the country further.
- Carter Administration’s Response: The U.S. took steps to deter Soviet intervention, including reinforcing its military presence in the Persian Gulf through the Rapid Deployment Force (a precursor to CENTCOM). The Carter Doctrine, articulated in January 1980, explicitly warned that any attempt by an outside power (implied to be the Soviet Union) to control the Persian Gulf would be considered a threat to U.S. vital interests and met with force if necessary.
- Soviet Actions: While the Soviets did not invade Iran, they provided limited support to leftist factions and maintained diplomatic engagement with the new Iranian government. However, the Islamic Republic’s leadership, under Khomeini, was deeply anti-communist and resisted Soviet influence, which limited Moscow’s ability to capitalize on the crisis.
- Outcome: No direct Soviet invasion occurred, partly due to Iran’s internal consolidation under Khomeini, U.S. deterrence measures, and the Soviet Union’s own preoccupation with Afghanistan. However, the fear of Soviet opportunism shaped U.S. policy, contributing to heightened tensions and the militarization of the region.
Would you be willing to sit down and start drawing pictures of Muhammad in front of the peaceful Muslims if you didn’t mind them being offended?
newfie
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Also in that time period Jack Anderson a wapo columnist who was known to have excellent sources in the CIA ran a story that Carter was considering an invasion of Iran to resolve the Hostage crisis and possibly bolster his standings in the polls . this story is a little shakier since the argument goes against carters normal style of handling things which was diplomacy.
Summary of Jack Anderson’s Reporting
Jack Anderson, an investigative journalist, published columns during the Iranian Hostage Crisis (1979–1981) that often revealed government plans based on leaks. While no specific article explicitly states President Jimmy Carter considered invading Iran to “save his presidency,” Anderson likely reported on Pentagon or administration discussions of military options, including contingency plans for an invasion. These plans, discussed in 1980, were hypothetical and reflected pressure on Carter to resolve the crisis decisively. Anderson’s columns may have framed such options as politically motivated, given the crisis’s damage to Carter’s 1980 re-election campaign, but this framing could be speculative or exaggerated, as no primary source confirms Carter’s intent was electoral gain.Why Carter Might Have Considered Invasion (If True)
If Carter contemplated an invasion, the motivations could include:- Resolve the Crisis: With 52 Americans held hostage for over a year, Carter faced intense pressure to act. An invasion might have aimed to free the hostages or force Iran’s compliance, especially after the failed Operation Eagle Claw (April 1980).
- Political Survival: The crisis dominated Carter’s presidency, portraying him as weak. With the 1980 election nearing, a successful military operation could have bolstered his image, countering Republican criticisms and potentially swaying voters. Carter’s “Rose Garden strategy” tied his political fate to the crisis’s outcome.
- Strategic Pressure: Advisors like Zbigniew Brzezinski advocated stronger measures. An invasion could have signaled U.S. resolve to Iran and deterred further defiance, though Carter prioritized hostage safety, rejecting escalation due to risks of mass casualties and hostage executions.
newfie
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me? no interest . i dont know if alot of people realize it but there is some overlap between the quran and bible
The Quran doesn't include entire biblical books but references stories and figures from the Torah (Genesis, Exodus) and Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John). Key overlaps include:
- Genesis: Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob, Joseph.
- Exodus: Moses, Pharaoh, parting of the sea.
- Gospels: Jesus, Mary, John the Baptist.
- Psalms: Mentioned as Zabur given to David.
- Other prophets like David, Solomon, Jonah appear. The Quran retells these stories with Islamic theological emphasis, not quoting the Bible directly.
The Quran overlaps with Jewish scriptures (Tanakh) primarily in the Torah, Prophets, and Writings:
- Torah: Stories of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob, Joseph, and Moses (e.g., Surah Al-Baqarah, Surah Taha) mirror Genesis and Exodus.
- Prophets: David, Solomon, Elijah, Elisha, Jonah appear (e.g., Surah Sad, Surah Yunus), similar to 1-2 Samuel, 1-2 Kings, Jonah.
- Writings: Psalms (Zabur) linked to David; Job mentioned briefly (Surah An-Nisa).
- Themes like monotheism, covenant, and prophethood align with Jewish tradition. Some stories resemble Jewish midrash. The Quran adapts narratives for Islamic theology, viewing the Torah as divine but altered.
Doublestandards
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I just learned that some what recently. Was surprised to learn Muslims teach that Jesus was a prophet. They don’t believe he was the son of god, but they believe he was sent by god I believe
Lineandinitial
Legio patria nostra
That'd be idol worshipping and the "peaceful" muslims would start setting fires to police cars and looting...wait, that's BLM...
Doublestandards
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Donald Trump calls on Putin to end war and sign deal
"I want him to stop shooting, sit down, and sign a deal. We have the confines of a deal, I believe, and I want him to sign it and be done with it and just go back to life," Trump told reporters as he was leaving New Jersey.
He also stated that he was disappointed by Russia's recent missile strikes on Kyiv and could not say for certain whether Putin is genuinely committed to ending the war.
Sounds like something a suburban soccer mom might say if asked for her thoughts on ending the war.
Doublestandards
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Gave the Quran the air of familiarity.
oldngray
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Even though it was written later with many of the details changed. Such as having Abraham attempt to sacrifice Ishmael instead of Isaac.
Wasn't aware of that. I've often wondered how so many people could be fooled by one man but then I read about Joseph Smith.
