UPS Freight RIP

[Vincent Car Go]

Well I was out from work only to return and find out freight was sold. I know you package guys hate us but we really do work hard.
This will be a interesting transition. The big push is we will get new trucks. Most of my co-workers dont want new trucks. We want the benefits and those new trucks will cost a boatload of money... and that needs to come from somewhere.

This new company ... hopefully will be more driver friendly and learn to create a team of experienced drivers that can help the company move forward. My terminal is pretty cool... we all get along and have a pretty good time delivering freight. Its sad that in the past drivers really went that extra mile to achieve the best results in the least amount of time. But we have managers that if they dont come up with a idea... its just not good.

Im guessing small pac will be inundated soon and now wont have the extra drivers that they pulled from freight when they needed us.

I hope both teams do well.

 

[Whereistheunion]

Well I was out from work only to return and find out freight was sold. I know you package guys hate us but we really do work hard.
This will be a interesting transition. The big push is we will get new trucks. Most of my co-workers dont want new trucks. We want the benefits and those new trucks will cost a boatload of money... and that needs to come from somewhere.

This new company ... hopefully will be more driver friendly and learn to create a team of experienced drivers that can help the company move forward. My terminal is pretty cool... we all get along and have a pretty good time delivering freight. Its sad that in the past drivers really went that extra mile to achieve the best results in the least amount of time. But we have managers that if they dont come up with a idea... its just not good.

Im guessing small pac will be inundated soon and now wont have the extra drivers that they pulled from freight when they needed us.

I hope both teams do well.

I feel bad for the way UPS freight, has been treated. The WEAK NMA is a start, UPS virtually locked you guys out during the negotiations. And now UPS Freight has been sold without Union approval or knowledge. JUST LIKE THAT THE UNION COULD POTENTIALLY LOSE 15,000 MEMBERS IN 2 YEARS DUE TO IT'S OWN NEGLIGENCE.

 

[burrheadd]

I know you package guys hate us but we really do work hard.

I believe it pushing those half pallets of freight around on a pallet Jack is hard work
No doubt about it

 

[MAKAVELI]

I believe it pushing those half pallets of freight around on a pallet Jack is hard work
No doubt about it

Probably at least 10x harder than feeder drivers. Lol

 

[silenze]

Probably at least 10x harder than feeder drivers. Lol

They do a lot of stops. They also seem to work a lot of hours.

 

[Indecisi0n]

They do a lot of stops. They also seem to work a lot of hours.

We don’t work a lot of hours ?

 

[MAKAVELI]

We don’t work a lot of hours ?

You don't touch freight. Ttku..

 

[silenze]

We don’t work a lot of hours ?

No i work 9hrs a day. 3 of that is sleeping

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

I feel bad for the way UPS freight, has been treated. The WEAK NMA is a start, UPS virtually locked you guys out during the negotiations. And now UPS Freight has been sold without Union approval or knowledge. JUST LIKE THAT THE UNION COULD POTENTIALLY LOSE 15,000 MEMBERS IN 2 YEARS DUE TO IT'S OWN NEGLIGENCE.

Why would UPS need union approval to sell off one of it's companies?

 

[Redtag]

Why would UPS need union approval to sell off one of it's companies?

They don't. However the contract goes with the Teamsters goes with the employees to the new company.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

They don't. However the contract goes with the Teamsters goes with the employees to the new company.

I understand that. It was brought up that the company was sold without union approval, I was asking why that poster thought it necessary for the union to sign off on the sale.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I understand that. It was brought up that the company was sold without union approval, I was asking why that poster thought it necessary for the union to sign off on the sale.

Because they have a contract with the union?

 

[oldngray]

Because they have a contract with the union?

They probably don't have to ask the union but they do have to honor the union contracts. Talking to the union about it would still be a good idea.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

They probably don't have to ask the union but they do have to honor the union contracts. Talking to the union about it would still be a good idea.

I hope those poor guys don't get shafted

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

Because they have a contract with the union?

Yes, they have a contract defining terms of labor. What does that have to do with the union approving a sale of the company?

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Yes, they have a contract defining terms of labor. What does that have to do with the union approving a sale of the company?

Maybe there's some terms in a contract if they get sold they must negotiate? Honestly I do not know

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

I hope those poor guys don't get shafted

Me too, but who knows, the new owners might just be more labor-friendly than UPS. Doesn't seem hard to beat.

 

[oldngray]

It might be a way for them to declare bankruptcy so they can liquidate the assets. Take the money and run. I hope not but things like that have been known to happen.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

It might be a way for them to declare bankruptcy so they can liquidate the assets. Take the money and run. I hope not but things like that have been known to happen.

It has, but TFI is no joke, and to spend almost $1B to establish a huge US footprint just set up a bankruptcy is a bit of a stretch. They're worth almost $7B and are real players, I just hope they are willing to negotiate fairly. They have some union outfits in Canada, so it seems like they will, but I don't know how strong their contracts are.

 

[meritocracy]

Duty of successor employers. An employer who purchases or otherwise acquires the operations of another may be obligated to recognize and bargain with the union that represented the employees before the business was transferred. In general, these bargaining obligations exist—and the purchaser is termed a successor employer—when there is a substantial continuity in the employing enterprise despite the sale and transfer of the busi ness. Whether the purchaser is a successor employer is dependent on several factors, including the number of employees taken over by the purchasing employer, the similarity in operations and product of the two employers, the manner in which the purchaser integrates the purchased operations into its other operations, and the character of the bargaining relationship and agreement between the union and the original employer

https://www.nlrb.gov/sites/default/files/attachments/basic-page/node-3024/basicguide.pdf