UPS Rising just announced it PASSED by Default.

[UnconTROLLed]

New PT hires are being paid $15 to $20/hr. Almost as much as a new delivery driver for 4 years.

part-timers in our hub are getting $200/week to just show up, which comes out (w/ starting wage) to over $20/hr

 

[over9five]

Hey @Tony Q , you mentioned somewhere that one local (89?) had a 20% participation rate.
Is there somewhere we can see this info for each Local?

 

[UnconTROLLed]

The members said no.

the members said.....*crickets*

 

[1989]

Don't you think the teamsters WOULD LET THEIR OWN MEMEBERS KNOW IT WAS A FINAL OFFER!!!!!!


Good lord our union is a cluster.

In negotiations offers come and go. The final offer is the one you vote on. This clause is the reason we went on strike without a contract vote. If we would have voted in 97 it would have passed.

 

[PT Car Washer]

The members said no.

The majority did not care enough to even vote.

 

[over9five]

In negotiations offers come and go. The final offer is the one you vote on. .

Unfortunately, this is how I see it.

 

[mikejonesjr]

the members said.....*crickets*

Almost 100k members voted. Id say thats a good amount. This garbage law was implemented when UPS wasnt a revolving door and more people planned to stay. You expect people who are only planning to work here 6 months to vote on others futures. That would be wrong for them to do if anything. That law needs to go or at least require 1 year seniority to be counted otherwise its a scam to pass whatever they want.

 

[PT Car Washer]

part-timers in our hub are getting $200/week to just show up, which comes out (w/ starting wage) to over $20/hr

With the new $13/hr starting wage it comes out to $23/hr on a 20 hour week. I guess the company values a new PT hire more then a new delivery driver still in progression.

 

[PT Car Washer]

Almost 100k members voted. Id say thats a good amount. This garbage law was implemented when UPS wasnt a revolving door and more people planned to stay. You expect people who are only planning to work here 6 months to vote on others futures. That would be wrong for them to do if anything. That law needs to go or at least require 1 year seniority to be counted otherwise its a scam to pass whatever they want.

I could agree on making a new hire wait a year before they could vote. Will the IBT give up the dues money for that year? I doubt it.

 

[silverbullet2893]

Hey @Tony Q , you mentioned somewhere that one local (89?) had a 20% participation rate.
Is there somewhere we can see this info for each Local?

He don’t know his head from his ass. that guy

 

[silverbullet2893]

The majority did not care enough to even vote.

So why have an election? it. Your vote don’t matter anyways. Make it communistic.

 

[No One on hwy9]

The Teamsters could have easily summized a low voter turn out by using the strike vote as a guide.

The Teamsters sent out tons of vote yes propaganda.....yet there was no mention of non-votes being essentially counted as yes votes. They encouraged us to vote yes but NEVER STATED a 2/3 or 50% + was required to reject.

plus...we were never informed this was a final offer. or as in the past A Last, Best & Final Offer. The Union stated it may be open to renegotiate 22.4 language and the 15$ demand

Legal action is on the horizon as are major union opt out of dues.

Just so everyone is aware, this ‘browned out’ guy is not a plant from an anti-union legislative group. Social media is getting overrun by outside groups. This person is a fraud and has worked to do one thing, freeload off the union. This fraud has been stirring the pot on contract with the sole purpose of riling us up to do this outsiders bidding. Don’t be fooled.

 

[No One on hwy9]

The Teamsters could have easily summized a low voter turn out by using the strike vote as a guide.

The Teamsters sent out tons of vote yes propaganda.....yet there was no mention of non-votes being essentially counted as yes votes. They encouraged us to vote yes but NEVER STATED a 2/3 or 50% + was required to reject.

plus...we were never informed this was a final offer. or as in the past A Last, Best & Final Offer. The Union stated it may be open to renegotiate 22.4 language and the 15$ demand

Legal action is on the horizon as are major union opt out of dues.

The Teamsters could have easily summized a low voter turn out by using the strike vote as a guide.

The Teamsters sent out tons of vote yes propaganda.....yet there was no mention of non-votes being essentially counted as yes votes. They encouraged us to vote yes but NEVER STATED a 2/3 or 50% + was required to reject.

plus...we were never informed this was a final offer. or as in the past A Last, Best & Final Offer. The Union stated it may be open to renegotiate 22.4 language and the 15$ demand

Legal action is on the horizon as are major union opt out of dues.

Just so everyone is aware, this ‘browned out’ guy is not a plant from an anti-union legislative group. Social media is getting overrun by outside groups. This person is a fraud and has worked to do one thing, freeload off the union. This fraud has been stirring the pot on contract with the sole purpose of riling us up to do this outsiders bidding. Don’t be fooled.

Is a plant. I don’t know how to edit. But browned out, is a hired plant.

 

[UnconTROLLed]

Almost 100k members voted. Id say thats a good amount. This garbage law was implemented when UPS wasnt a revolving door and more people planned to stay. You expect people who are only planning to work here 6 months to vote on others futures. That would be wrong for them to do if anything. That law needs to go or at least require 1 year seniority to be counted otherwise its a scam to pass whatever they want.

It sounds to me like you are more upset about being union, than having the contract ratified. The "scam" is not specific to the Teamsters but closed shops which do not allow us to democratically spend our confiscated dues money how we choose to.

Remember that you could also weed out apathy and "short-timers" voting by RTW; meaning, if you are paying member, you will be 10x more likely to vote, while if you are a freeloader, you won't be voting and it won't count.

Problem solved.

 

[Jkloc420]

so are vote did not matter again in the end

 

[UnconTROLLed]

With the new $13/hr starting wage it comes out to $23/hr on a 20 hour week. I guess the company values a new PT hire more then a new delivery driver still in progression.

It's an embarrassment to "mid-range" seniority part-timers who're making significantly less than a new-hire. There's plenty of grumbling from these PT's in our building.

 

[1989]

The members have spoken, mainly by NOT speaking.
It's funny to me that UPS pushed so hard to get everyone to vote, and came up with LESS than 50%....WHICH worked out in their favor!

Ups knows about said clause. That’s why ups wanted a vote on last best final offer in 97.

 

[PT Car Washer]

So why have an election? it. Your vote don’t matter anyways. Make it communistic.

This is how a lot of the younger PT Union members feel. Why vote? The system is rigged.

 

[PT Car Washer]

It's an embarrassment to "mid-range" seniority part-timers who're making significantly less than a new-hire. There's plenty of grumbling from these PT's in our building.

Embarrassment is not the word I would use. How about a slap in the face. The company values an employee on their first day walking through the door more then someone who has worked here for years.

 

[silverbullet2893]

This is how a lot of the younger PT Union members feel. Why vote? The system is rigged.

I didn’t say it was rigged. I’m saying if you’re pretty much going to be told that your involvement doesn’t matter, why even have a ing election to begin with?


They begged and begged and begged us to give up our time, our resources, etc to go door to door telling people to vote down the RTW and to get signatures on petitions. And “we all bleed teamster blue” and good for you WDFD. They want us dues paying members to fight for them so they can get a paycheck, but they won’t fight for the members? Wtf. No. Doesn’t fly with me.